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Re:Facebook reportedly discredited critics by linking them t... by FireBeyond on Thursday November 15, 2018 @11:58AM (#18460926)
Just so we are clear:

Hogan and Gawker had arranged to settle. Hogan was even going to be offered part ownership of Gawker, and had agreed to that. Until his (I mean Thiel's) lawyers met with him again.

And then he withdrew that offer.

And then after winning the lawsuit, withdrawing the only claim that would allow Gawker's insurance to allow Hogan to recoup some of his claimed damages (including an "estimated $50M loss of _future_ earnings, for a man who has only made $25M in his career and retirement so far).

Let's be very clear, Thiel's involvement in this was much more than "paid legal costs".

Regardless of the right or wrongs of thing, it is a generally accepted concept in modern societies and legal systems that you should have the right to face your opponent, not for them to have a legal 'proxy' or puppet acting at their behest.

Was Hogan wronged? Absolutely. But, as noted above, he'd agreed to settle until Thiel (and/or his lawyers) stepped in (again). He'd also settled with the person who _made_ the nonconsensual recording _and_ sold it... for _1/55,000th_ what he claimed in damages from Gawker.

Re:Facebook reportedly discredited critics by linking them t... by beaconstudios on Thursday November 15, 2018 @12:15PM (#18461122)
let's also not forget that the reason Thiel had a vendetta against Gawker is that they outed him publicly. They were a horrible gossip rag and I have very little sympathy for them given their actions (which extend far beyond what they did to Thiel and Hogan).
Re:Facebook reportedly discredited critics by linking them t... by psnake on Thursday November 15, 2018 @02:50PM (#18462655)
No they didn't. He was out to a wide circle of people already, let alone that publishing that fact is in no way libelous or defamatory.

Feelings about Gawker aside, if they had really outed him and caused him damage because of it, he would have sued them for that instead of searching for another case he could latch onto and bankroll.

Re:Facebook reportedly discredited critics by linking them t... by beaconstudios on Thursday November 15, 2018 @04:34PM (#18463599)
I don't think it has to be about damage. I can understand how such an imposition might make him want revenge on a personal level.

At the end of the day it's important to let people come out in a way they choose. He may well have already been out to friends and family but that doesn't mean all is done and dusted, especially for a public figure.

Re:Facebook reportedly discredited critics by linking them t... by strictnein on Thursday November 15, 2018 @12:26PM (#18461236)
Hogan earned $13 million from just the WCW for a 5 year contract. There's zero chance his total lifetime earnings is $25 million. Probably add a 0 to that.
Re:Facebook reportedly discredited critics by linking them t... by FireBeyond on Thursday November 15, 2018 @12:35PM (#18461326)
Those were the golden years. Not that I'm a wrestling expert (quite the opposite), but the WWF was not quite so grandiose - Hogan reported that headlining in Wrestlemania would get you about $150K.

I think the truth lies between. "After rumors of Hulk's infidelity, Linda filed for divorce in 2007. At the time it was revealed that Hogan's personal net worth was $30-40 million."

I don't see it hitting $250M.

And I don't see his future retirement income taking a $50M hit because of the video. He's still entitled to royalties and residuals. His multitude of racist remarks, perhaps, however...

Re:Facebook reportedly discredited critics by linking them t... by strictnein on Thursday November 15, 2018 @01:17PM (#18461753)
Wrestlemania is a one day event.

Anyways, straight from the horse's mouth: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2043389/Hulk-H...

Re:Facebook reportedly discredited critics by linking them t... by FireBeyond on Thursday November 15, 2018 @01:57PM (#18462120)
So 5 years with the WCW netted him $13M, but 10 in the WWF was $220M+?

"Wrestler exaggerates."

From another Hogan lawsuit: "Belzer sued Hogan for $5 million and later settled out of court. On October 20, 2006, on the Bubba the Love Sponge Show, it was claimed (with Hogan in the studio) that the settlement totaled $5 million, half from Hogan and half from Vince McMahon. During his June 23, 2008, appearance on Sirius Satellite Radio's The Howard Stern Show, Belzer suggested that the real settlement amount was actually closer to $400,000."

Regardless of this, the point still stands, Thiel was very much more involved in the Gawker lawsuit than "paying legal costs" and that, regardless of the validity of Hogan's claims, or the trashiness of Gawker, troubles me. "Billionaire bankrolls lawsuit against someone he has a beef with, but could not himself sue, and appears to stage manage case."

Re:Facebook reportedly discredited critics by linking them t... by seiferteric on Thursday November 15, 2018 @12:17PM (#18461144)
How could he win his case if his claimed damages wern't at least somewhat realistic?
Re:Facebook reportedly discredited critics by linking them t... by FireBeyond on Thursday November 15, 2018 @12:36PM (#18461343)
Because the decision, and the damages are separate. You can win a case and have "damages reduced on appeal". Or a judge can be involved (depending on state). It can even be a separate hearing entirely.

And there's a litany of court cases where you can find 'unrealistic damages' due to a jury "sending a message".

Re:Facebook reportedly discredited critics by linking them t... by misiti3780 on Thursday November 15, 2018 @02:26PM (#18462388)
I get your point, I guess my opinion on this is

1) gawker was trash and probably got what was coming to them. outing someone to get clicks is much more scummy in my opinion than what PT did. the world is a better place now that Gawker is not in it.

2) regarding "legal proxy's acting on someone behest,", I'm not a lawyer but what is the difference between this and HSBS acting as a "proxy" and paying the legal costs of mexican employees (executives actually) [1] who got caught illegal laundry money for the cartels. It is basically the same thing, someone or something with a lot of money throwing around money and affecting legal outcomes (Deferred prosecution agreements)

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hsbc-probe/hsbc-became-ba...

Re:Facebook reportedly discredited critics by linking them t... by misiti3780 on Friday November 16, 2018 @08:39PM (#18473384)
i wonder if the original offer (aka ownership of gawker) was worth more than the actual settlement, because the founder filed for bankruptcy and presumably he did not get 100M