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Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by hadrien01 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @01:42PM (#18452526)
What about Estonia? Their nation ID card seems pretty secure and privacy-concious
Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by pxtail on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @01:49PM (#18452599)
Quite recent story: Estonia sues Gemalto for €152M over ID card flaws:https://www.reuters.com/article/estonia-gemalto/estonia-sues...

HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18104861

Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by hadrien01 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @02:27PM (#18453022)
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/crypt...

They suspended almost immediately the public key common to the 750 000 flawed cards, disabling them, and they issued an update a few months later. That seems like a pretty good reaction. I don't see what they could have done better, apart from making the cards themselves.

Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by DoctorOetker on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @02:28PM (#18453036)
Pretty sure Belgian eID's are also by Gemalto, which prompts a bunch of questions:

1) are the private keys in Belgian eID's also similarily not randomly generated on-chip, and in whose hands does this happen?

2) if we face the same issue as Estonia, why is no one in Belgium discussing this?

3) if Belgium is not affected, why is Gemalto having 2 systems? doesn't it seem more efficient to use the same private key generation mechanism for both customer nations? why would Gemalto go out of its way to have separate codebases etc regarding "on chip" private key generation? this all seems to suggest that Belgium too is similarily affected

Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by pcardoso on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:16PM (#18454642)
The Portuguese ID is also similar to Estonia, when it was introduced here in Portugal there was considerable talk about being able to interop with Estonia.

Nothing about this flaw in the local news afaik.

Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by DoctorOetker on Thursday November 15, 2018 @12:58AM (#18457214)
I would like to reply to the dead comment:

These eIDs are replaced every few years, so it still matters to a lot of people.

How do we expect "deviants" to improve if we don't even allow feedback towards the "deviant" ?

Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by gcb0 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:29PM (#18454767)
estonia has the rigth idea. their card is about empowering and giving control to the citizen. Last I checked, it migth have shift since then.

US credit score/CN socia score/RU degrees of separation from putin (ok, I made the last one up :) are invisible, non-opt (in or out) systems of control.

estonia ID card (and an aborted digital ID in some south american countries) were about allowing the citzen to securely sign a document, in person or remotely.

the two concepts are world apart.

Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by iknowstuff on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:34PM (#18454812)
Well, yes. The only privacy concern I see is when online services ping back to the Estonian government to make sure your certificate hasn't been revoked. If they choose to hit their API for every public key they encounter, the government could collect information about all the services you use. I think businesses can choose to periodically download a list of revoked certificates instead to avoid leaking usage data.
Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by gcb0 on Thursday November 15, 2018 @10:47AM (#18460151)
even then, still worlds apart from credit score, where a tird party you never registered with have the ping back, plus new meta data such as what you were trying to buy and for how much, etc.
Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by 0xmohit on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @01:54PM (#18452662)
Ever wondered why such "secure and privacy-concious" national ID cards only find place in third-world countries.

"Citizens of Australia, Canada, NZ, UK, and the US successfully opposed biometric national ID schemes." https://www.eff.org/issues/national-ids

Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by krastanov on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @02:00PM (#18452734)
Calling Estonia a third world country is incredibly ignorant!

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia#Economic_indicators for instance.

Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by zaru27 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @02:40PM (#18453135)
Hong Kong is at the top - looks like that list will need to get updated soon.
Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by guitarbill on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @03:54PM (#18453841)
Because the defacto IDs, e.g. SSN (US) or NiNO (UK) are so much better! They have no identifying features, so it's trivial to commit identitiy fraud. And once that happens you're fucked because they cannot be changed. But sure is better than one of those nasty ID cards that e.g. Germany, one of the most privacy-conscious nations, uses. (/s)
Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by metildaa on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @04:50PM (#18454364)
SSNs have been terribly abused by private industry. They were never meant to be handled by private companies, but here we are with a non-consentual credit scoring system based atop it.

Should people be required to hold a national ID card? It may have been rammed through in Germany, but many are not happy with national IDs. Its a basic consent of the people problem IMO. Passive acceptance is not consent or support, but merely dealing with the situation at hand.

Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by guitarbill on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:01PM (#18454480)
What's your point? People have driving licenses, a passport and never think twice about using credit cards or loyalty cards. But somehow an ID card is uniquely dangerous? I don't buy it. The status quo is already worse!
Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by walshemj on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:23PM (#18454708)
Its because its so open to abuse by the police and reminds people (sorry germany) the Gestapo - that's why post ww2 the UK rejected ID cards.
Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by metildaa on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:07PM (#18454547)
The status quo is terrible, that is not a good reason to add a "secure" national ID though, it is apt to make the problem of tracking worse.
Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by def_true_false on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @04:54PM (#18454402)
Considering they are the most privacy conscious, it's pretty hard to avoid running into bullshit like Schufa or the need to register your address with the authorities.
Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by pjc50 on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @02:07PM (#18452814)
The UK has a weird "identity" system: you now need proof of immigration status in order to get a job, a bank account, or rent a house (and you need to show ID to buy a house too). For British nationals this effectively means you have to have a passport, which is biometric ID.

The system also rests on utility bills - my wife was securing the services of a lawyer recently, and the government-issue driving license with photo and address is apparently not enough, you have to have a utility bill in your name too.

Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by walshemj on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @05:24PM (#18454720)
I have managed to open bank accounts and ISA's with no pass port or driving licence just a credit card bill and my p60 (tax documents)
Re:A new Venezuelan ID, created with China's ZTE, tracks cit... by markdown on Wednesday November 14, 2018 @03:39PM (#18453683)
The 5-eyes countries you mention don't need national ID cards to track their citizens. They're way ahead of the "third-world" countries.