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Re:Amazon’s HQ2 Spectacle Should Be Illegal by throwaway5752 on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @02:47PM (#18444229)
What we're talking about is the time spent putting together a report and emailing it to Amazon in this case. I'm not talking about jurisdiction shopping (which is gross whether it's corporate domiciles in DE, lawsuits in east TX, or if you want to make the case that's what HQ 2's process amounted to).

What was asked, and what I answered, was how to account for the time of municipalities that answered the RFP. Since they do not have to actually offer any of the proposed subsidies since they lost, then I think it's fair to assign no value to the cost. If you disagree, please feel free to tell me what price they paid instead of downvoting.

Re:Amazon’s HQ2 Spectacle Should Be Illegal by cepth on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @02:58PM (#18444315)
Cities actually spent quite a bit of money on hiring consultants, site planners, doing impact studies, etc. I don't think it's unreasonable to say mid to high 7 figures.

-https://www.consulting.us/news/290/consulting-firms-recruite...

-https://technical.ly/philly/2017/09/13/site-selection-consul...

This is not to mention that cities likely had to hand over demographic data that would've otherwise been very expensive to collect: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-hq2-search-data-2018-....

Look at some of the cities that made the finalist list:

-Columbus (population ~880k)

-Denver (population ~700k)

-Indianapolis (population ~870k)

-Nashville (population ~667k)

-Newark (population ~285k)

For these cities, an additional 25k jobs would have been huge. Scott Galloway has advanced the theory that a large goal of the HQ2 search was to secure competing bids, which Amazon then took back to NYC and DC in an attempt to secure better terms. If these "finalist" cities were simply used as stalking horses with ~0% chances of actually winning, I can't help but feel it was a little wrong to induce them to spend the necessary fees on consultants and planners to put together a decent bid.

Re:Amazon’s HQ2 Spectacle Should Be Illegal by tmd83 on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @03:08PM (#18444427)
If it was actually their plan which it very well seems like from the way everyone is talking about, wouldn't this actually be fraud rather than just unfair?
Re:Amazon’s HQ2 Spectacle Should Be Illegal by lotsofpulp on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @04:31PM (#18445097)
There was no commitment, and there was no false information. How can there be fraud?

I do the same thing Amazon does all the time, to get the best price. I don’t need to be honest and tell the seller I’m using them to get someone else’s price down. Maybe I do go with the new seller if their price is good, maybe it’s not good enough to sway me from the other seller. It’s just business.

Re:Amazon’s HQ2 Spectacle Should Be Illegal by tmd83 on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @11:18PM (#18447450)
I am of course not a lawyer. But there's a whole lot of difference between casually asking a seller a price or haggle vs. asking for a formal bid for something. I think in a formal bid the expectation is that you have a reasonable chance to win given the expense needed to answer a bid.
Re:Amazon’s HQ2 Spectacle Should Be Illegal by Apocryphon on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @04:29PM (#18445085)
It sounds like the sort of casual fraud that megacorps routinely get away with.