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Re:Internet Vulnerability Takes Down Google by TheRealDunkirk on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @08:11AM (#18440650)
"... countries with a long history of Internet surveillance."

Pot, meet kettle. Seriously, how is this even worth a mention? The US invented wholesale internet surveillance.

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Re:Internet Vulnerability Takes Down Google by Niten on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @09:24AM (#18441116)
This sort of false equivalency is unhelpful. It requires a great lack of judgment to believe the U.S. is comparable to the regime overseeing Xianjing on domestic internet surveillance.
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Re:Internet Vulnerability Takes Down Google by stareatgoats on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @10:56AM (#18441888)
I assume the "US is comparable to China" assertion rubbed a few people the wrong way. This link collection shows the gravity of the situation in the US, and that US is drifting towards totalitarianism, without having reached that stage by a long shot. The surveillance scope is quantitatively different in the two countries, given the expressed totalitarian nature of the Chinese regime.
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Re:Internet Vulnerability Takes Down Google by scottlocklin on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @12:47PM (#18442969)
Something I ask myself all the time: how will I be able to tell when we've reached actual totalitarianism in the West? It won't be Chinese style totalitarianism, and I'm pretty sure they won't helpfully dress up in jackboots and announce things have reached peak totalitarianism. Would we notice at all?
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Re:Internet Vulnerability Takes Down Google by wongarsu on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @05:29PM (#18445537)
I think the US is very big on internet surveilance and is probably beyond what China does. You don't have to be totalitarian to do surveilance, there's plenty of other reasons to do it (though once you have the data the temptation grows to use it for totalitarian uses)
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Re:Internet Vulnerability Takes Down Google by distantsounds on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @09:49AM (#18441310)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

Sure.

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Re:Internet Vulnerability Takes Down Google by excalibur on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @12:22PM (#18442715)
It looks like you may be confusing surveillance with censorship.
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Re:Internet Vulnerability Takes Down Google by bigmonads on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @11:28AM (#18442190)
It requires a small amount of context and history - and virtually no judgement.

You may not like the Chinese or foreign governments, but hacker news isn't a place to express that bigotry.

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Re:Internet Vulnerability Takes Down Google by jonathanoliver on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @08:20AM (#18440702)
...and the internet.
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Re:Internet Vulnerability Takes Down Google by social_quotient on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @08:45AM (#18440847)
...and wholesale.
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Re:Internet Vulnerability Takes Down Google by S_A_P on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @09:09AM (#18441008)
This is true, and Im not in support of wholesale surveillance with out reasonable cause and the associated court documents. That said, I don't think I would want to go to Russia or China and say, google "How to overthrow the government". I would expect someone would want to speak with me pretty quickly after I did that...
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Re:Internet Vulnerability Takes Down Google by okmokmz on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @09:58AM (#18441380)
>That said, I don't think I would want to go to Russia or China and say, google "How to overthrow the government". I would expect someone would want to speak with me pretty quickly after I did that...

That doesn't mean the US isn't performing the same level of surveillance/tracking, just that they aren't publicly picking up dissenters. In reality, if they were really worried, they'd hit you with a gag order and charge you in the FISA courts so you can't go public

https://freedom.press/news/revealed-justice-depts-secret-rul...

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Re:Internet Vulnerability Takes Down Google by vkazanov on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @09:20AM (#18441091)
I suspect that in every relatively developed country nowadays executing systematic requests of the kind you mentioned would get you some kind of personal attention.

That's why they invented it, right? To make sure the political status quo does not change. That includes political systems in the US, UK, China and Russia.

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