Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia
by edoceo on Saturday November 10, 2018 @03:52PM
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Maybe the near monopoly of the payment network is the coercion?
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Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia
by dane-pgp on Saturday November 10, 2018 @06:32PM
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Some people would say that consumers are free to avoid vendors that don't accept cash, but in practice this "freedom" is actually a huge cost, in terms of time and mental overhead and lack of choice.
The danger is that society as a whole ends up making sub-optimal decisions because each person is (selfishly / rationally) choosing to avoid these extra costs.
Powerful entities (even those falling short of absolute monopolies) probably get away with a lot more societal harm than they would if we were more aware of this "coercion of convenience".
Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia
by eeZah7Ux on Saturday November 10, 2018 @06:28PM
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"either use Swish or go without food/water/travel/etc" is coercion by any definition
Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia
by o-o- on Saturday November 10, 2018 @06:46PM
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Food is payed with VISA och Mastercard. Water is payed through the online banking service. Travel with VISA/Mastercard (even local buses accept credit cards). "Etc" is also payed with VISA or Mastercard. Swish is a mere conveniency for transferring money without having to log onto your online banking service. I use it once a month tops.
Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia
by jandrese on Saturday November 10, 2018 @09:22PM
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I think not having a bank account is unthinkable in a place like Sweden. Thanks to the strong social safety net and extremely restrictive immigration policy they don't have abject poor. At worst you're lower middle class and can get a bank account.
It does seem to be a bad deal for tourists however. I'm surprised that companies are apparently so quick to ditch traditional credit cards.
Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia
by ptr on Saturday November 10, 2018 @10:03PM
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But companies aren’t ditching credit cards, we’re just using “contact less”/Apple Pay/etc. more. When Swish is used by a company (I’ve only seen a couple), they’re either super-cheap or gimmicky.
Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia
by fouc on Saturday November 10, 2018 @09:13PM
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What happens if you don't have visa/mastercard or even a bank account?
Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia
by petre on Sunday November 11, 2018 @01:38AM
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What jappens when the electricity is out? In a Katrina or Maria (hurricanes) scenario.
Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia
by icebraining on Saturday November 10, 2018 @10:08PM
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What happens if you don't have cash? Answer: you get cash, because most shops won't barter.
Same thing here.