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Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia by yongjik on Saturday November 10, 2018 @01:47PM (#18422788)
You already live in a society where the food, water, and shelter you freely purchase has to be certified and authorized by faceless people you've never met and will never meet. Even your labor you are willing to give has to be certified at some level.

That's why you don't have to worry about salmonella in your chicken sandwich or a steel beam falling onto your head at work.

You're welcome.

Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia by sparkie on Saturday November 10, 2018 @01:52PM (#18422821)
Another false comparison. There's a big difference between implementing society-wide regulations and unpersoning individuals.
Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia by jnurmine on Sunday November 11, 2018 @11:55AM (#18427257)
If the government wants to "unperson" someone, cash or no cash or electronic money, they will just come and collect you.

You having pieces of plastic/paper and/or metal trinkets in your pocket plays will not save you from this.

I understand the apparent privacy angle, but if you analyze it further, cash won't help in the presence of a malicious system. If the government cares enough about you to stop you from using e-cash/credit cards to buy or sell, they will also care enough to not let you roam free.

Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia by Paperweight on Saturday November 10, 2018 @02:34PM (#18423050)
And the black market is a key safety valve for a fully-functioning capitalist economy (like it or not).

Hell, even the USSR had paper cash in circulation allowing some privacy and trade between individuals.

Having solely account-based money under complete regulatory control amounts to a huge increase in what is practical to put under political control. It could drastically increase the incentives to ban and regulate trade in anything of interest to special interests. E.g. the pharmaceutical industry could finally get rid of herbal medicine.

Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia by pessimizer on Saturday November 10, 2018 @02:34PM (#18423049)
> That's why you don't have to worry about salmonella in your chicken sandwich or a steel beam falling onto your head at work.

You have to worry about both of those things. Why? Because instead of forcing the placement of every steel beam and the sale of every chicken sandwich to pass through the hands of an intermediary who both profits from and regulates the action, we just decided to regularly inspect places where problems were likely to occur, and to investigate reports of possible violations.

The argument you're making would work just as well for recording all human speech at all times, and processing it for suspicious topics - which is totally currently technologically possible. Even if it weren't, why not require that all conversations be had over a telephone? That's pretty much the same as having rules about the amount of arsenic allowed in salt...

Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia by yongjik on Saturday November 10, 2018 @03:16PM (#18423255)
"If I take your argument and extrapolate until it sounds absurd, then it sounds absurd, therefore your original argument is invalid."

Sorry, I'm not buying it.

Re:Sweden's cashless society is no longer a utopia by ryanwaggoner on Saturday November 10, 2018 @07:16PM (#18424277)
No extrapolation needed, your original argument sounds absurd.