News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Learning Clojure: comparing with Java streams by didibus on Thursday November 08, 2018 @02:00PM (#18408892)
> Scheme even has a fixed syntax in the RnRS reports. Lisp does not have that.

Could you link to the RnRS in question? I'm curious.

> Not really. One just reads things from a stream and returns an s-expression.

I feel like if I agree to this, I also agree that pre-processors are easy to write and use. And that undermines the innovation and superiority of syntactic macros introduced by Lisp.

> The main purpose of user-written reader macros is to extend S-expressions to support literal syntax of new user-defined data types.

This is possible in Clojure as well. You can extend the language with new data literals. But they must begin with # + char(s) and respect the existing reader semantics, as they are processed as a syntactic macro, and not a lexical one. So you could add #queue[1 2 3] for example. But you couldn't add |1 2 3|

> On my Lisp Machine it was actually useful.

If only they'd still make those, and had improved its performance.

Re:Learning Clojure: comparing with Java streams by lispm on Thursday November 08, 2018 @03:30PM (#18409697)
> Scheme even has a fixed syntax in the RnRS reports. Lisp does not have that.

https://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-...

> And that undermines the innovation and superiority of syntactic macros introduced by Lisp.

They have a different purpose and operate on a different level.

> respect the existing reader semantics

This is an example of xapping data structure in *Lisp for for the Connection Machine

{moe->"Oh, a wise guy, eh?" larry->"Hey, what's the idea?" curly->"Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!"}

> If only they'd still make those, and had improved its performance

Nowadays it might be easier to use an emulator running the OS.

Re:Learning Clojure: comparing with Java streams by didibus on Saturday November 10, 2018 @02:52PM (#18423136)
> https://schemers.org/Documents/Standards/R5RS/HTML/r5rs-Z-H-...

Sorry, maybe I'm not seeing it, but what part of that link describe lexical user definable reader macros in scheme?

> {moe->"Oh, a wise guy, eh?" larry->"Hey, what's the idea?" curly->"Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!"}

Right, so in Clojure you could extend the reader and do:

#xapping{moe "Oh, a wise guy, eh?" larry "Hey, what's the idea?" curly "Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!"}

As a data literal for xapping data structures.

Re:Learning Clojure: comparing with Java streams by lispm on Sunday November 11, 2018 @03:20PM (#18428356)
> Sorry, maybe I'm not seeing it, but what part of that link describe lexical user definable reader macros in scheme?

None. I never said it does. I said it has a fixed syntax.

Re:Learning Clojure: comparing with Java streams by didibus on Tuesday November 13, 2018 @01:13PM (#18443219)
Oh I see. Okay I misunderstood you.

What do you mean by fixed syntax? A formal syntax?