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Re:Ford Buying San Francisco-Area E-Scooter Startup Spin by komali2 on Thursday November 08, 2018 @01:22PM (#18408495)
Nobody follows these rules. Whenever a skater is coming at me I very much get a "get the fuck out of my way, peasant" vibe.

That's why I believe they should be enforceable rules aka laws.

Re:Ford Buying San Francisco-Area E-Scooter Startup Spin by randyrand on Thursday November 08, 2018 @01:30PM (#18408574)
I follow them. You really have no choice if you care about your own and others safety.
Re:Ford Buying San Francisco-Area E-Scooter Startup Spin by komali2 on Thursday November 08, 2018 @01:51PM (#18408799)
Well, thank you, that's very good, but that doesn't exactly solve the problem.

I'm a hard-line rule following bicyclist, but I have no control over the other cyclists that blast past me at red lights. What are we supposed to do, render our nonexistent authority over them? I suppose I can say "please don't do that," but I try that and it has no effect.

Re:Ford Buying San Francisco-Area E-Scooter Startup Spin by robotkdick on Thursday November 08, 2018 @03:18PM (#18409588)
I applaud your attempt at civil discourse. You deserve a medal for patience. Thank you for posting as I think discussions like this could use more of your style.
Re:Ford Buying San Francisco-Area E-Scooter Startup Spin by danans on Thursday November 08, 2018 @02:24PM (#18409095)
> if you care about your own

Given how few of the riders are wearing helmets, they seem to at the very least be unaware of the risks they are taking.

> ... and others safety.

Power is intoxicating. Being in a more powerful vehicle on a surface shared with other less powerful vehicles makes some people ignore others' safety, or discount the way in which their actions imperil others.

Anyone who has ridden a bike/motorcycle in regular traffic can attest to that experience around cars: you assume you are invisible to them. I've seen many high-powered cars/trucks/motorcycles swerving and accelerating dangerously around less powerful vehicles in traffic.

Similarly, I've seen motorcycles driving fast down bike lanes to get around car traffic.

It's a similar situation between the scooters and pedestrians on busy sidewalks.

Re:Ford Buying San Francisco-Area E-Scooter Startup Spin by qudat on Thursday November 08, 2018 @01:31PM (#18408592)
> Nobody follows these rules.

This is exactly the reason why I ride my bike on the sidewalk even with a bike lane that is divided from the automobile lane with a white line.

I don't care what laws exist, I am not risking my life riding in a bike lane that is really seen as a large automobile lane.

Re:Ford Buying San Francisco-Area E-Scooter Startup Spin by culot on Thursday November 08, 2018 @03:49PM (#18409876)
I've twice been mauled by pedalbikers on sidewalks. Not a fan of your plans.
Re:Ford Buying San Francisco-Area E-Scooter Startup Spin by randyrand on Thursday November 08, 2018 @03:56PM (#18409943)
I've been hit by a car in the bike lane. Not a fan of that either.