CNN Money: Microsoft is a Dying Consumer Brand

Re:CNN Money: Microsoft is a Dying Consumer Brand by blub on Wednesday October 27, 2010 @12:13PM (#1839189)

What is so great about HTML5 and JS for me, the user? That you can get my location? That you can have video (just like Flash, except slower)? Or is it that you can store stuff on my machine? HTML5 is one more step in the direction of web pages pretending to be applications.

Reading about "the web" on HN is like reading the story of Icarus. HN'ers are so enchanted by web apps that they forget they can only fly on the web thanks to native software. They would like to replace everything with a browser.

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Re:CNN Money: Microsoft is a Dying Consumer Brand by cryptoz on Wednesday October 27, 2010 @01:07PM (#1839477)

> That you can have video (just like Flash, except slower)?

Actually HTML5 is faster, and Flash is slower [for me]. So video on the web is a big deal with HTML5.

> HTML5 is one more step in the direction of web pages pretending to be applications.

No, it is one more step in the direction of web pages becoming applications. You can't possibly tell me that Gmail isn't a full application! It's much faster and more responsive than any desktop mail client I've ever seen: searching mail takes < 1 second vs 1-2 minutes in Outlook. It's better in every way. And it's on the web.

Why are you opposed to web applications?

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Re:CNN Money: Microsoft is a Dying Consumer Brand by contextfree on Wednesday October 27, 2010 @03:23PM (#1840079)

Personally, I just find web applications extremely painful to develop (on all the frameworks/dev environments I've tried, not just Microsoft ones). Desktop development is a lot more fun, but web apps are where the jobs are these days, unfortunately.

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Re:CNN Money: Microsoft is a Dying Consumer Brand by T_S_ on Wednesday October 27, 2010 @12:34PM (#1839314)

Actually all those things are great for the user. As for HN'ers it probably means they can do more things for people at lower cost, since business ideas realized as web apps are less tied to silo-like platforms.

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Re:CNN Money: Microsoft is a Dying Consumer Brand by philwelch on Wednesday October 27, 2010 @02:11PM (#1839750)

Do you have an actual argument about why web applications are inferior to native applications? You're just stating a lot of things ("HTML5 is one more step in the direction of web pages pretending to be applications.", we "would like to replace everything with a browser") without really explaining why they're bad.

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Re:CNN Money: Microsoft is a Dying Consumer Brand by ceejayoz on Wednesday October 27, 2010 @12:56PM (#1839420)

If nothing else, the new semantic article/header/nav etc. tags will make it easier for search engines to deliver good results to users.

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