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Re:How hustle culture took over advertising by mattnewton on Monday November 05, 2018 @11:09AM (#18383410)
When participating in the system of the US, wealth and job security are extremely useful. It may be rational to think “I will have more impact working to the bone and then donating/volunteering, than I would if I worked less and volunteered more”
Re:How hustle culture took over advertising by eiaoa on Monday November 05, 2018 @11:20AM (#18383508)
> When participating in the system of the US, wealth and job security are extremely useful. It may be rational to think “I will have more impact working to the bone and then donating/volunteering, than I would if I worked less and volunteered more”

I think that's the trap: you can't work yourself to the bone then have energy to work more to be active in your community, volunteer, run for office, pester politicians with letters, etc. Those are the kind of activities that I think could avoid the decay and perhaps even lead to some improvement.

I think it's a mistake to view "donating money" as meaningful response to many current social problems. Many of them are caused or propped up by people with more money than you could ever dream of having. Thinking that mere donations can win is like thinking a group insurgents could win in a stand-up direct fight against the US Army. The insurgents have different advantages than the US Army, and if they're smart, they'll use them rather than futilely attempting to reach parity with the US Army's strengths.

There's definitely some minimum amount of donations that will be required to really change things, but at a certain point I think the returns diminish.

Re:How hustle culture took over advertising by michaelt on Monday November 05, 2018 @12:57PM (#18384365)

  I think it's a mistake to view "donating" as
  meaningful response to many current social problems.
It probably depends on what problem you hope to solve, and what the other activities you're considering are.

A guy on minimum wage can ladle out soup at a soup kitchen every bit as well as I can.

But can he convince my elected representatives that I care about soup kitchens? Or make soup kitchen users into my personal friends? Not so much.

Re:How hustle culture took over advertising by eeZah7Ux on Monday November 05, 2018 @02:32PM (#18385169)
Countless social revolutions started from people who had the time to get socially engaged e.g. students and academics.

Keeping people busy with real or artificial work is extremely common in dictatorships.

Re:How hustle culture took over advertising by why_only_15 on Monday November 05, 2018 @03:30PM (#18385671)
Could you give an example of this - a society with a dictatorship that endeavors to give people artificial work?
Re:How hustle culture took over advertising by aigen001 on Monday November 05, 2018 @04:10PM (#18386011)
http://i.imgur.com/3q0xAJv.jpg

Not sure if this counts but this image of a soldier mopping in the rain comes to mind.

Re:How hustle culture took over advertising by potta_coffee on Monday November 05, 2018 @07:33PM (#18387323)
That looks like a Marine and this kind of pointless punishment is common in the corps. The more pointless, the better. (Think, digging a hole and filling it back up again, repeatedly.)
Re:How hustle culture took over advertising by Nasrudith on Monday November 05, 2018 @05:55PM (#18386766)
There was also the old age of sail "anti-idleness" laws which also had issues of believing their own lies and causation correlations that it caused crime and sin. There are plenty of what are now clearly goddamned moronic social theories then in the 15th to 19th centuries - and it sadly isn't an exclusive to then and ones of modern vintage exist as well. They honestly thought people drinking until they pass out in the bar was socially preferable to walking around town.
Re:How hustle culture took over advertising by rnd0 on Monday November 05, 2018 @03:56PM (#18385881)
Stalin's five year plans, Pol Pot and Moa's Cultural revolution immediately spring to mind. The ancient Roman practice of having Soldiers work on construction projects (eg Hadrian's Wall) between battles is a similar idea (though to keep them from looting, not plotting revolution).
Re:How hustle culture took over advertising by eeZah7Ux on Monday November 05, 2018 @06:34PM (#18386976)
As well as fascism in Italy and nazism.

They all disliked unemployed people and often forced them into work or in the military, loathed artists and writers that were able to work independently. They glorified "work for work's sake".

Created work artificially through gargantuan public works, bureaucracy and... war - the ultimate instrument to keep people busy and give them a common purpose.