Telemetry, I think most people (given a choice) would opt-out but OK.

What I hate are all the dark-patterns, registry keys and obscure processes that you have to locate to perform the opt-out (and even don't clearly know they are disabled). I'm a bit sick of fighting the OS that I purchased to make my life easier.

Even published Group Policy seems like an arms race, every time a new Windows 10 release there are a crap-ton of new telemetry settings.

And why-oh-why does Windows Server have the XBox client installed?

Windows is becoming the weakest part of the Microsoft stack.

No it isn’t. Microsoft refuses to disclose what is sent as part of the required “security” level telemetry.

And, according to the agreement, they have access to all your documents if they ‘have a good faith believe that doing so is necessary’

Having a "good faith belief" is actually a high bar, legally.

I remain unconcerned.

I am not really concerned Microsoft is downloading files from computers, but I am concerned if they technically have the ability to do so. If it requires an encryption key or some kind of password, these have a tendency to leak. If it is limited to a certain group of people, who's to say none of these people can be persuaded to sell your data? And would it be acceptable if the three-letter agencies can start snooping not only in the cloud but also on your own computer without you knowing?

And who is going to challenge Microsoft on this in court?

You lot, by the strength of the hatred I'm reading, here.

If I have an infected file, they can have a copy. I don't mind.

Honestly a lot of you must just have piles of questionable stuff you aren't proud of but also somehow can't stop collecting/creating, and you don't want anyone to ever see, because no one else will ever understand or something.

Not even my employer, the most risk-averse place I have ever worked, worries about the security telemetry.

Everyone has things they want to keep private. If you disagree I suggest that you film yourself walking down the street naked whilst saying your banking login details. Then post this on YouTube. Don't want to do this? Then you have things you want to be private too.

Making something public and making an infected file available only to Microsoft, if and only if they have a good faith reason to use it to improve their products and services, are WILDLY different.

You make it sound like you, the user, have a choice in the matter.

You're not "making something available" and they're not asking you for permission. They taking it if they want it and you can't do anything about it.

I think that's what people object to most, the loss of freedom to say no, this is mine, it's private and I control who has access to it.

Then don't use Windows 10 if the terms and conditions are a problem for you...

If you don't use Windows, or are forced to, then just admit that you want/need something to complain about.

How is that action even remotely comparable to MS security telemetry?

How many people keep backups of photos on their computers? How many of those people have taken nude selfies? How many do banking on their computers?

Who keeps their own (or someone else's, for that matter) nude selfies? What fucking planet am I on? If I need to produce one (I have never needed to) then I get naked and take one. I don't keep a stash of naked selfies for retirement.

A lot of celebrities do, apparently.

> Not even my employer, the most risk-averse place I have ever worked, worries about the security telemetry.

It's easy then - You simply don't work in very risk-averse environment. None of my employers in last 8 years would ever put anything like current Win10 on any computer in the company, precisely because of that.

That's an ignorant statement. You don't know where I work.

My current employer is more risk-averse than State Farm, a very large insurance company, whose livelihood requires a strong aversion to risk. I worked there for 3.5 years.

I know risk-averse when I see it.

Paranoia and risk-aversion are very different things.

Well fuck I guess they see all my emails to Grandma and they pirate all my unpublished anime fan fiction with the security level telemetry. Good point.