Re:Passcodes are protected by Fifth Amendment, says court
by cronix on Thursday November 01, 2018 @03:21PM
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Ah, just in time as we are moving away from passcodes and using things that are publicly available, such as "your face," which isn't protected. Just hold the phone up to the face and wait until they open their eyes, which they eventually will. Or ask, "do you recognize this phone?" as they hold it up to your face. It's already started.
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Re:Passcodes are protected by Fifth Amendment, says court
by andrewflnr on Thursday November 01, 2018 @10:15PM
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I feel like you're missing the forest for one particular tree that's about the get chopped down. Memorized secrets, in some form or another, will probably always be a linchpin of security, if not for phone login than for disk encryption, unlocking smart cards and the like.
Re:Passcodes are protected by Fifth Amendment, says court
by craftyguy on Thursday November 01, 2018 @08:14PM
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> we are moving away from passcodes
Who is moving away from passcodes? AFAIK, all major smartphone operating systems support passcode authentication.
Folks tried to say the same thing when fingerprint readers were integrated on smartphones, and here we are, still able to use passcodes...
Re:Passcodes are protected by Fifth Amendment, says court
by beatgammit on Thursday November 01, 2018 @08:16PM
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Yet a large number (and probably the majority with the capability) of people use fingerprint scanners or face unlock.
How many of those people understand that those lock methods are not covered by the fifth amendment?
Re:Passcodes are protected by Fifth Amendment, says court
by craftyguy on Thursday November 01, 2018 @08:30PM
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I'm not arguing that those methods aren't popular, but that 'we' are not all moving away from passcodes to using them. There are still folks using passcodes, and passcodes continue to be a supported authentication mechanism.
Re:Passcodes are protected by Fifth Amendment, says court
by MonkeyDan on Thursday November 01, 2018 @04:02PM
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I really wish Apple would offer two-factor auth in the form of fingerprint then PIN. Is that an option on the iPhone Xs with Face ID?
Re:Passcodes are protected by Fifth Amendment, says court
by WorldMaker on Thursday November 01, 2018 @05:10PM
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It's something I feel Windows Hello gets right some of the time, but not enough recognition for. Windows Hello can be set to (and I believe defaults to) require PINs/passwords on the first time a device boots up or asks a security challenge, thereby the face rec or thumbprint ID challenge itself is only for "repeat" checks / secondary factor.
Re:Passcodes are protected by Fifth Amendment, says court
by Nullabillity on Thursday November 01, 2018 @05:28PM
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This is what Android has done since biometric auth support was added.
Re:Passcodes are protected by Fifth Amendment, says court
by saurik on Sunday November 04, 2018 @05:35PM
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This is exactly how iOS works...
Re:Passcodes are protected by Fifth Amendment, says court
by wool_gather on Thursday November 01, 2018 @04:49PM
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It is not. If you prefer, you can use just a password, in lieu of Face/Touch ID, but there's no support for requiring both to unlock.
Re:Passcodes are protected by Fifth Amendment, says court
by beatgammit on Thursday November 01, 2018 @08:31PM
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That's what I do on my phone. I have a fairly lengthy passphrase and Smart Lock.
Re:Passcodes are protected by Fifth Amendment, says court
by colejohnson66 on Thursday November 01, 2018 @11:46PM
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Then what happens when it can’t read your fingerprint or face?