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Re:An AI Lie Detector Is Going to Start Questioning Traveler... by TeMPOraL on Thursday November 01, 2018 @10:59AM (#18354494)
> I don't think anyone would object to Swiss, German, US, Australian or Japanese immigrants... The issue is inflow of immigrants of different cultures, who don't assimilate - and it's not unreasonable to judge those cultures as inferior and unwelcome (in the EU we don't force our women to wear masks and stone them for infidelity...).

Since you point out types of immigrants people wouldn't object to, I also think no one would object to Saudi sheikhs if they were to immigrate. I increasingly feel religion and culture is just a proxy for wealth. A lot of people in Poland don't like Ukrainian immigrants either (of which we have plenty), even though they're culturally very close to us. I'm increasingly believing that it's all really about wealth, and the perception of being exploited.

Re:An AI Lie Detector Is Going to Start Questioning Traveler... by chewz on Thursday November 01, 2018 @12:53PM (#18355948)
Well, there are over 2 milion Ukrainians in Poland most of them working and living legally (with different legal status) so the 'Xenophobic' Poland had quietly accepted twice more refuges (as Ukraine is more or less fallen state like Libya) then Germany which is open to immigration and refugees.

Remember that Poland did largest immigration experiment in Europe's history in late Middle Ages and that was a failure. After 500 hundred years these migrants where still living in ghettos, speaking foreign language and preserving their religion. It is pretty much taken as a fact by Polish people that cultural and religious differences cannot be bridged in 500 years.

Re:An AI Lie Detector Is Going to Start Questioning Traveler... by tomp on Thursday November 01, 2018 @11:15AM (#18354691)
Not sure about this, here in London I don't think people support Saudi sheikhs, despite being generally pro-immigration (possibly in contrast to the rest of the UK). Although you're right that almost no politician would oppose immigration of wealth(y).

Edit: Although I do agree that there might be an effect similar to this, I think it was also present in Slovenia versus other Yugoslavian people. I wonder how much it has to do with the perception of wealth directly, and feeling threatened by "inferior" culture - there's probably a correlation, in addition a poor society is percieved as more likely to immigrate in larger numbers.

Re:An AI Lie Detector Is Going to Start Questioning Traveler... by mrec on Thursday November 01, 2018 @02:23PM (#18356875)
> (possibly in contrast to the rest of the UK)

From polls I've seen, I think most of the UK is pro-immigration. The disagreement is over uncontrolled immigration, which is a bit different.

Edit - I'm also in London, and have definitely heard people complaining about rich Saudis buying everything up. (And rich Russians before that.) I suspect there's a useful comparison to be made with US anxieties wrt Japanese investment back in the 90s.

Re:An AI Lie Detector Is Going to Start Questioning Traveler... by lagadu on Thursday November 01, 2018 @11:17AM (#18354726)
> I also think no one would object to Saudi sheikhs if they were to immigrate.

Considering the amount of distaste for anything Saudi in most people I see across several countries around here I very much dispute that.

Re:An AI Lie Detector Is Going to Start Questioning Traveler... by TeMPOraL on Thursday November 01, 2018 @11:22AM (#18354776)
In US maybe, but in Poland, I'm probably the only person out everyone I physically know who is even aware of the story. Here Saudis are mentioned mostly in anecdotes about obscenely rich people and how alcohol finds its way there even though it's technically banned.
Re:An AI Lie Detector Is Going to Start Questioning Traveler... by briandear on Thursday November 01, 2018 @02:17PM (#18356813)
Saudi Sheiks? Not true, at least I’m France. Plenty of people get pissed when one of the princes closes down a beach each year for his holiday and essentially takes over a small village with the apparent support of police. Also, if you have ever interacted with many “sheiks” and their entourages, you’d quickly learn just how undesirable they often are. Russian oligarchs aren’t typically welcomes with open arms either.
Re:An AI Lie Detector Is Going to Start Questioning Traveler... by woolvalley on Thursday November 01, 2018 @04:43PM (#18358228)
If you get too many wealthy people, you get a vancouver, seattle, london or SF situation and that isn't very healthy either.

I think you need the people to be a similar economic makeup as the destination country, otherwise all the rich people buy you all out and everything is too expensive or all of the poor people act like an influx of 'criminals' who screw up everything according to the perceptions of the receiving populace.

Re:An AI Lie Detector Is Going to Start Questioning Traveler... by StanislavPetrov on Thursday November 01, 2018 @01:54PM (#18356585)
>I also think no one would object to Saudi sheikhs if they were to immigrate.

Plenty of people would complain more loudly about Saudi sheikhs than anyone else. There are a lot of people who want to live their lives without having their lives disrupted by large influxes of people with a completely different culture, and it has nothing to do with wealth. The populist backlash you have seen across the globe recently is largely a result of these people having nowhere else to go politically, because the neoliberal ruling class of the last 30 years refuses to acknowledge their legitimate concerns. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail, and we in the western world will be able to have an open and legitimate debate about immigration and the right of a nation to decide who (and how many) people from starkly different cultures should be imported. Or the self-righteous can just keep calling them racists and bigots for voicing their legitimate concerns and stand by as the next wave of Trumps and Brexits roll across the western world.

Re:An AI Lie Detector Is Going to Start Questioning Traveler... by narag on Thursday November 01, 2018 @03:57PM (#18357821)
Plenty of people would complain more loudly about Saudi sheikhs than anyone else.

That's not what happens at all. You've never been to Marbella, have you? I watched a TV show some months ago about how nicely they behave there. Huge tips, very discreet people, lavish mansions with many jobs for the service... Now in Spain there's a heated discussion about selling weapons to Arabia (about murder of Khasoggi) since our shipyards are a vital source of jobs near my hometown.

Re:An AI Lie Detector Is Going to Start Questioning Traveler... by StanislavPetrov on Thursday November 01, 2018 @10:50PM (#18360341)
No, I haven't been to Marbella, but I've been all around the world, and the Saudis are among the most despised people globally (along with the Israelis).