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Re:Creepy things Eric Schmidt has said by jasonlotito on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @12:48PM (#1834934)
Every time he says something "creepy", I always find it's taken out of context. Or, more appropriately, he's simple stating the truth, and we just find it uncomfortable. The classic case is: “If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place.”

It's true. It's creepy, but only if you forget that it's reality. People took this quote to mean so much more than it did.

I'm not saying as CEO he shouldn't be careful of what he says, but at least he's saying something, rather than just speaking about vertically integrated forward-thinking active promotions across multiple wide-vector-outreach systems leveraging past-promised and future-potential market segments.

Re:Creepy things Eric Schmidt has said by apl on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @01:11PM (#1835042)
It's neither true nor "reality." There is a significant difference between privacy and secrecy. Let's assume I regularly search for terms x, y, z, but don't want anyone to know about it.

There are two possible explanations. Maybe the reason why I want to keep these things private is that they're flat out illegal. Child pornography, for instance. But maybe the reason is simply that I feel ashamed or uncomfortable - e.g., herpes medication, unusual fetishes or the Perl documentation.

Are you seriously telling me that I have to be open about everything I do, and that when I don't want to, then I'm doing something illegal or morally objectionable?

Wow.

Re:Creepy things Eric Schmidt has said by kgo on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @01:28PM (#1835132)
Part of the full quote:

"If you really need that kind of privacy, the reality is that search engines - including Google - do retain this information for some time and it's important, for example, that we are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act and it is possible that all that information could be made available to the authorities."

So in context, he's basically saying that of course if you're logged into google, surfing from your same home IP, well duh, of course Google, or the government, or your ISP, or some random hacker can figure it out. You can't guarantee privacy without using something like Tor.

Re:Creepy things Eric Schmidt has said by prodigal_erik on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @01:38PM (#1835182)
He didn't say "maybe you shouldn't be letting anyone know," he said "maybe you shouldn't be doing it." He seems to think conformity is a better solution than privacy.
Re:Creepy things Eric Schmidt has said by cryptoz on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @01:45PM (#1835219)
The implied ending to that sentence is "...on Google."

"Maybe you shouldn't do it [...on Google]. Or, [...on the internet]. Or [...in a way that people can find out].

The idea is that privacy is difficult on the Internet: your ISP knows what you're doing, your search engine knows what you're doing, etc.

So doing something online without telling someone about it is really really hard. So if you don't want someone to know about it, basically your only choice is to not do it [online].

It's not that creepy and it's not the typical privacy fallacy everyone thinks it is (the "if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to hide" bullshit)

Re:Creepy things Eric Schmidt has said by Matt_Cutts on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @03:48PM (#1835757)
It's also important to know that the original question was "People are treating Google like their most trusted friend. Should they?"

I read Eric's answer along the lines of "Look, as CEO of the company, I think it's important to know that treating Google as your best friend would have limitations, specifically (the whole Patriot Act stuff)."

Re:Creepy things Eric Schmidt has said by cryptoz on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @01:42PM (#1835205)
> Let's assume I regularly search for terms x, y, z, but don't want anyone to know about it.

That's basically impossible, and that's what Eric is saying. If you're searching for something, by definition you are telling someone about it: Google. If you're telling Google, and the FBI comes knocking on Google's doors, Google will comply.

Eric is saying: if you don't want to tell everyone a secret, then don't tell us.

Re:Creepy things Eric Schmidt has said by jasonlotito on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @01:48PM (#1835237)
> Are you seriously telling me that I have to be open about everything I do, and that when I don't want to, then I'm doing something illegal or morally objectionable?

No on both accounts. I did not suggest or say that you had to share everything you do. Not even close. I also didn't come anywhere close to suggesting that if you don't want people finding out what you are doing it's wrong. I'd avoid the straw man if I where you. =)

What I am saying is that if you do something, chances are someone can find out. It's as simple as that.

Let's go with your herpes medication that you buy that you don't want any to find out about. If you don't want anyone to find out about you buying herpes medicine, don't buy any. Otherwise, someone is going to find out. In this case, it will be the company that sells you the herpes medicine at the very least.

Hopefully this clears things up.

Re:Creepy things Eric Schmidt has said by face on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @12:55PM (#1834965)
Not to mention that usually the second part is left out, where he actually warns people that Google might be legally obligated to provide some information to the authorities.