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Re:We posed as 100 Senators to run ads on Facebook. Facebook... by jklein11 on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @11:42AM (#18346639)
I'm assuming this is sarcasm but I can kind of see the case that Facebook is making here.

For example, if a drunk person behind the wheel of a Ford does a tremendous amount of damaage, no one goes after Ford for not preventing it.

Facebook is a tool. Is it Facebook's responsibility to make sure that everyone uses it ethically? I can understand putting in measures to make sure that everyone is using it legally and have a mechanism to help authorities stop bad actors but deciding what a "bad actor" is shouldn't Facebook's responsibility.

Re:We posed as 100 Senators to run ads on Facebook. Facebook... by abainbridge on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @12:59PM (#18347374)
However, if a newspaper prints a story saying senator X said Y, and that claim was false, then the newspaper can be sued, regardless of where they got that information or which employee wrote the story.

Given your analogy, the question is, is Facebook more like a car manufacturer or a newspaper?

Re:We posed as 100 Senators to run ads on Facebook. Facebook... by count on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @02:04PM (#18347943)
If a newspaper runs an advertisement that turns out to be false (say, a fake claim about a thing for sale), is it the newspaper or the advertiser who's at fault?
Re:We posed as 100 Senators to run ads on Facebook. Facebook... by yorwba on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @03:08PM (#18348430)
The advertiser. But if someone sues the advertiser and it turns out that the person listed by the newspaper as the advertiser isn't actually the advertiser, it's the newspaper's fault for not verifying their customers.
Re:We posed as 100 Senators to run ads on Facebook. Facebook... by jklein11 on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @04:50PM (#18349188)
So it is the newspaper's fault that their customer lied to them?
Re:We posed as 100 Senators to run ads on Facebook. Facebook... by sabizmil on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @05:12PM (#18349323)
There are certain industries that have requirements for vetting customers, and if those requirements are not met then responsibility falls on the company and not the customer.

If a car manufacturer distributes a car that did not go through any inspections and it turns out the brake lines were hooked up incorrectly and consequently causes damage or hurts the customer then it's neither the customer or the dealership who are at fault, but the manufacturer for failing to properly inspect the product that they are making.

In the same sense, if a bar sells beer to someone without asking for their ID and they turn out to be underage, or a gun store sells a weapon to a convicted felon without performing a background check, liability falls on the company and not the customer.

I am not sure if this should apply to newspapers in respect to their advertising, but there are examples where this line of thinking does apply and this might be one of them.

Re:We posed as 100 Senators to run ads on Facebook. Facebook... by tinkerteller on Thursday November 01, 2018 @01:37AM (#18351682)
That is a wrong analogy. FB does recommendations prominently luring in you to things that you didn't knew existed. It also filters and sorts to decide for you what information you get to see.

The correct analogy is having a secretory that reads all your emails and only selectively lets you know what you got as well as inserting recommendations based on her belief system. So if this secretory tells you that your brother only sends you bad emails and here's the great model of gun you should buy if you are going to meet him - then your secretory is not merely a tool to manage your emails.

Re:We posed as 100 Senators to run ads on Facebook. Facebook... by illumin8 on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @02:25PM (#18348106)
Horrible analogy. If Ford had to approve every ignition/engine start request and they had a breathalyzer installed in every vehicle that would send the blood alcohol level to Ford's API and required a signed response before the engine would start, maybe you're getting close...

Facebook put in a "vetting" process and requires everyone to go through it to publish ads. On the other hand, anyone with enough cash can buy a Ford (even second hand from a 3rd party), get drunk, and drive through a few neighborhoods causing death and destruction.

Re:We posed as 100 Senators to run ads on Facebook. Facebook... by jklein11 on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @04:49PM (#18349178)
Okay, maybe a better analogy would be with seatbelts. It doesn't seem like it would a huge engineering feat to prevent a car from starting if the driver isn't wearing a seatbelt. If someone dies in a car crash because they weren't wearing a seatbelt, is the car manufacturer at fault?
Re:We posed as 100 Senators to run ads on Facebook. Facebook... by ams6110 on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @01:32PM (#18347665)
One thing I'd point out is that a drunk driver, dangerous as he is for individuals in his path, can't really affect anything beyond his immediate vicinity. Facebook has national and world-wide influence.
Re:We posed as 100 Senators to run ads on Facebook. Facebook... by StreamBright on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @02:12PM (#18348011)
Drunk people do not install presidents.
Re:We posed as 100 Senators to run ads on Facebook. Facebook... by jklein11 on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @04:43PM (#18349142)
Neither do ads on the internet. Donald Trump's presidency did not mesh well with a large population of the US's perception of reality. It is much easier to say "the boogey man caused this to happen" vs "my understanding of the world around me was inaccurate."

I'm not saying that there weren't campaigns that intentionally mislead people or that those campaigns aren't a bad thing. I do think that blaming the Trump Presidency on the Russians is overly simplistic and is an easy way to ignore a real divide in our country.