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Re:When Adolescents Give Up Pot, Their Cognition Quickly Imp... by jerf on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:28AM (#18345456)
We have done much better. Look at tobacco usage. It hasn't plummeted because it was outlawed.

I don't think we'd necessarily get the same plummet with marijuana, because the health story isn't quite as uniformly bad, and I get the sense that pot users don't get as acclimated as cigarette users, who seem to be smoking not to feel good but to avoid withdrawal. (Just on the drug's own terms, tobacco is a really bad deal; the ratio of "high" to harm is just atrocious. If it wasn't so addictive nobody would use it on a regular basis.) But we could probably get some improvement if the messaging got more realistic. And by "improvement" I don't just mean "less", but better; less adolescents smoking some of their most important cognitive years away, more people using THC for correct medicinal uses, and if one chooses to smoke it recreationally, better informed choices.

I'm in favor of legalization, because marijuana prohibition is not as bad as alcohol prohibition was, but it's the same sort of thing even if less of it. I still plan on telling my children quite strongly the best move is not to play.

Re:When Adolescents Give Up Pot, Their Cognition Quickly Imp... by kodablah on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @10:37AM (#18346021)
> Look at tobacco usage. It hasn't plummeted because it was outlawed.

Disagree to some extent. Outlawing of most indoor smoking has decreased usage significantly. Also disagree with reasons for smoking vs not since many do smoke recreationally to feel good as opposed to fear of withdrawal. Sure, most of the addicted are the latter, but the laws are there to target everyone.

Re:When Adolescents Give Up Pot, Their Cognition Quickly Imp... by jerf on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @10:49AM (#18346125)
It was regulated. It was not outlawed.

Nobody seems to be saying they want unregulated marijuana usage, so it seems comparable. (If nothing else, everyone agrees it should be taxed, and that is already a form of regulation.)

Re:When Adolescents Give Up Pot, Their Cognition Quickly Imp... by kodablah on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @11:07AM (#18346286)
> Nobody seems to be saying they want unregulated marijuana usage, so it seems comparable

Comparing outlawed, regulated, or unregulated without nuance is unfair. Things can be effectively outlawed, overly regulated, unenforced thereby unregulated, etc. Instead of focusing on the words, we should focus on the effect. To restate my previous claims in terms that hopefully won't be misinterpreted, "Increased regulation/restrictions on smoking has decreased usage significantly."

I'd say the reason it is not comparable is it is adding restrictions instead of removing them. To go from 0 to a set of regulations is one thing, but since that is not the case, the direction matters as much as the result.

Re:When Adolescents Give Up Pot, Their Cognition Quickly Imp... by beaconstudios on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:38AM (#18345551)
as an ex-smoker who sometimes relapses for short periods, for me it's not to avoid withdrawal. It relieves stress and anxiety, and also gives me an excuse to step out of the office for a few minutes for a break or to collect my thoughts.
Re:When Adolescents Give Up Pot, Their Cognition Quickly Imp... by noxToken on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:53AM (#18345665)
Classic tactic in the military: I wasn't a smoker, but under certain circumstances, I'd carry a pack with me so I could have a "smoke" break. Sometimes people would call me out, so I'd light one up without inhaling until that person left. Then I'd just give the cigarette to an actual smoker.
Re:When Adolescents Give Up Pot, Their Cognition Quickly Imp... by chosenbreed on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:49AM (#18345636)
> It relieves stress and anxiety, and also gives me an excuse to step out of the office for a few minutes for a break or to collect my thoughts.

Should we really need excuses to step out of the office to get some fresh air, collect our thoughts, etc for a few minutes?

I think there is much to be said about cigarettes relieving stress and anxiety...

Re:When Adolescents Give Up Pot, Their Cognition Quickly Imp... by krrrh on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @12:15PM (#18346968)
There does seem to be suspicion around leaving your desk to do “nothing”.

I once worked at a place where a lot of my colleagues would take smoke breaks and thought it was unfair. I loudly started taking gum breaks where I would go outside and smack peppermint gum for 5-10 minutes before throwing it in the trash and going back inside. Sometimes I would head out at the same time as the smokers so that I got to participate in the chitchat (which was unreasonably valuable from a professional perspective), and I would complain about how it wasn’t socially acceptable to chew gum at your desk like in the eighties when everyone did it. It was softly mocking, but no one objected.

Re:When Adolescents Give Up Pot, Their Cognition Quickly Imp... by ThePadawan on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @10:06AM (#18345785)
As often as it is mocked, this is one of the things I really value in the whole "micro kitchens away from the open-plan office" lies.
Re:When Adolescents Give Up Pot, Their Cognition Quickly Imp... by frereubu on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @10:08AM (#18345794)
Nicotine is a stimulant. I'd argue that stepping out of the office for a few minutes is what relaxes you and reduces your anxiety, not the cigarette. Unless you're a regular smoker when smoking stops withdrawal symptoms. (I'm an ex-20-a-day smoker)
Re:When Adolescents Give Up Pot, Their Cognition Quickly Imp... by gmadsen on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @10:24AM (#18345924)
smoking definitely reduces stress when smoking, but it also makes you a more stressful person.

Its like rubbing yourself with poison ivy, just so you can have the relief of itching a scratch

Re:When Adolescents Give Up Pot, Their Cognition Quickly Imp... by beaconstudios on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @10:11AM (#18345815)
the stress and anxiety relief also works outside the office, otherwise I wouldn't bring it up.
Re:When Adolescents Give Up Pot, Their Cognition Quickly Imp... by acct1771 on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @10:20AM (#18345889)
Stepping away from your issues and gaining new perspective can be just as effective as drugs.

Source: performance enhancing cannabis user