iPhones are allergic to helium

Re:iPhones are allergic to helium by brianpgordon on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:14PM (#18343073)

Helium isn't toxic but it displaces oxygen. Heliox still contains enough oxygen to breathe (at sea level it's 21% oxygen just like normal atmosphere, and when diving the partial pressure of oxygen is the same as oxygen in normal atmosphere). But if you release helium into a room full of air, patients with already-compromised respiratory systems from injury or from respiratory diseases or from opioid painkillers could be at risk for brain damage or death if they were borderline already and not being monitored closely enough.

The author's cavalier "I bet the nurse’s voices were higher pitched that day!" was incredibly inappropriate given the potential danger.

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Re:iPhones are allergic to helium by jsjohnst on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:38PM (#18343155)

> Helium isn't toxic but it displaces oxygen.

While technically correct in theory, in any real world environment Helium will not displace Oxygen unless you are dumping orders of magnitude more helium than in this scenario.

> Heliox still contains enough oxygen to breathe (at sea level it's 21% oxygen just like normal atmosphere, and when diving the partial pressure of oxygen is the same as oxygen in normal atmosphere).

There’s so much wrong with this (and the rest of your post) I can’t think of a polite way to respond, so I’ll just wish you a good day.

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Re:iPhones are allergic to helium by inlined on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @03:44AM (#18343943)

I’ll admit I haven’t gotten that far in my diving certs yet, but isn’t the point of Heliox so that you can have less than 21% O2 at high depths to avoid narcosis and a fatal ppO2?

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Re:iPhones are allergic to helium by belorn on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @07:16AM (#18344739)

To simplify it a bit.

The point is to keep partial pressure of oxygen below that of maximum safe limit of 1.2 to 1.6. For example, 100% oxygen at surface is 1.0 and thus safe but will very fast reach maximum when you increase the pressure just by a few meters. Regular air with 21% oxygen will start to be a problem at 50 meters, so divers that need to go deeper need to use mixes that has less than 21% oxygen. When a mix is less than 18% oxygen they become hypoxic and cannot safely be used at shallow depth.

So the point is not to get "the same as oxygen in normal atmosphere". It is to keep the partial pressure of oxygen within safe limits, usually between 0.18 pp02 and 1.4 pp02 depending on a multitude of factors and safety margins.

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Re:iPhones are allergic to helium by brianpgordon on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @09:41PM (#18350821)

The only point I was trying to convey with that statement was that there might be much less oxygen by volume in deep-diving heliox but the partial pressure of oxygen is still maintained so that cellular respiration can continue normally. Was that the only thing you thought was outrageously wrong with my comment?

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Re:iPhones are allergic to helium by belorn on Thursday November 01, 2018 @07:34AM (#18352923)

I am not jsjohnst, but the only additional nitpick is that Heliox is any blend that is exclusively helium and oxygen and the reason why heliox is more commonly used for deep dive is that helium has less resistance compared to nitrogen, meaning that pushing compressed air through ones respiratory system takes a bit less effort. Helium in heliox is thus used to displace the nitrogen, with the oxygen ratio being adjusted based on health, depth, bottom depth, purpose, decompression, surface interval and so on.

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Re:iPhones are allergic to helium by namibj on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @05:37AM (#18344318)

Kind of, a fatal ppO2. But in a hospital room you have the other kind of fatal ppO2, the kind where you pass out and need an O2 mask.

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Re:iPhones are allergic to helium by nradov on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:18PM (#18343087)

Hospital rooms aren't hermetically sealed. Helium dissipates so quickly that this isn't a realistic safety concern.

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Re:iPhones are allergic to helium by sandworm101 on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @02:19AM (#18343689)

Helium rises. Not slowly. It really rises very quickly. Patients are in beds, horizontal, many also on oxygen feeds. The nurses are standing. Their voices would indead become higher in pitch long before patients were impacted.

If thier voices were rising, id suspect helium but would be worried that some reaction released hydrogen. Same squeeky voices but a serious fire hazard.

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Re:iPhones are allergic to helium by de_watcher on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @03:19AM (#18343862)

I remember these constant problems with helium tanks in rockets. It's way harder to keep helium in place.

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