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Re:Fidelity launches trade execution and custody for cryptoc... by stale2002 on Monday October 29, 2018 @02:12AM (#18325396)
The compelling usecase is censorship resistant financial transactions.

The fact that you have never been subject to financial censorship puts you in a priviledged position that you are fortunate to be in.

I am similarly priviledged in that I have never needed to use TOR, but I still recognize the extreme value of something like TOR brings for the billions of people in the world who live under oppressive, censoring governments.

Re:Fidelity launches trade execution and custody for cryptoc... by mkirklions on Monday October 29, 2018 @08:13AM (#18326815)
I simply dont like the idea that the government will print more money.

Mainstream 'economics' might not like a deflationary currency, but since the last economic collapse was 10 years ago, I don't exactly trust 'economics'.

There are 21,000,000 BTC ever ever ever.

Re:Fidelity launches trade execution and custody for cryptoc... by seanhunter on Monday October 29, 2018 @08:53AM (#18327062)
I have 2 problems with this line of argument that I haven't really heard anyone address in a useful way.

1)While abundance certainly reduces value (by creating oversupply), scarcity can't in and of itself create value if there isn't demand. Say there is only 1 original Sean Hunter painting in the entire world. Since there are 34 Vermeers, it should be worth more than a Vermeer, right? Well no. Vermeer was much much better at art than I will ever be, so noone is ever going to want to own anything I paint.

2)While there is a finite supply of BTC, there is a limitless supply of alternative altcoins, and no barrier whatsoever to entry, so people can keep creating them. Since these can be made functionally identical to BTC, why should BTC retain value through scarcity? It's not doing anything that can't easily be done via another altcoin.

Re:Fidelity launches trade execution and custody for cryptoc... by mkirklions on Monday October 29, 2018 @09:47AM (#18327474)
I think you might like this because it addresses both of your points.

>Vermeer was much much better at art

BTC is a 'much better coin' than alt coins. Its currently used worldwide. No other coin is used worldwide.

Its not just scarce, but its also highly demanded. Consider that people don't care about other coins, AND this is scarce. Its very difficult to become a rockstar, but once you do, your signature is very valuable.

BTC has broken into rockstar status. It has already happened. Alt coins have not.

Re:Fidelity launches trade execution and custody for cryptoc... by XorNot on Monday October 29, 2018 @10:37AM (#18327843)
BTC can't extinguish debts and taxes in any nation-state on Earth.

Taxation is in fact continually reducing the value of Bitcoin when it's applied - you can't pay your taxes in BTC, so you have to sell some of them to gain USD to cover your taxes (easy enough: you do it when you trade). But the person you sell them to has the same requirement - they will have to sell some BTC and trade out into local currency to extinguish tax obligations. The long term trend is everyone eventually must trade out of BTC to cover their taxes.

The trajectory of BTC is inexorably down - the current market is irrational.

Re:Fidelity launches trade execution and custody for cryptoc... by mkirklions on Monday October 29, 2018 @11:33AM (#18328317)
It can extinguish debts. However, many people want to be paid in local currencies.

Nations want their taxes to be paid in local currencies.

Not sure why some situations requiring a different payment method has you hung up.

Re:Fidelity launches trade execution and custody for cryptoc... by stale2002 on Monday October 29, 2018 @02:39PM (#18329995)
This post is nonsense.

Lots of people hold gold. These people musy sell their gold to pay taxes.

This does not drive the price of gold down to 0, because that's not it works.

Bitcoin is exactly the same as any other commodity.

Re:Fidelity launches trade execution and custody for cryptoc... by 908087 on Monday October 29, 2018 @10:27AM (#18327778)
> No other coin is used worldwide.

This isn't even remotely accurate.

Re:Fidelity launches trade execution and custody for cryptoc... by mkirklions on Monday October 29, 2018 @11:28AM (#18328277)
What altcoin?
Re:Fidelity launches trade execution and custody for cryptoc... by 908087 on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:59PM (#18339528)
Of the altcoins that are actually functional, you'd have a harder time finding one that didn't have "users" around the world than one thar did.

Let's just use Litecoin as an example here, or even dogecoin for that matter. Are you seriously claiming those don't have global reach?

Re:Fidelity launches trade execution and custody for cryptoc... by jstanley on Monday October 29, 2018 @10:27AM (#18327777)
> It's not doing anything that can't easily be done via another altcoin.

You can't pay to a Bitcoin wallet with an altcoin. It's a different currency.

I could start printing jstanley dollars but that won't impact the scarcity of actual dollars. Even though a jstanley dollar is still just a piece of paper that can do exactly the same things as a USD piece of paper.