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Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by solutionyogi on Monday October 25, 2010 @08:58PM (#1832389)
And as expected, Mr. Gruber downplays this terrible, terrible bug.

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/10/25/castro-iphone

If Microsoft (or Adobe) released an update to the software which wiped out data as precious as your personal photos, I am sure he would not talk about backups, but thrash the company.

Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by tptacek on Monday October 25, 2010 @09:11PM (#1832440)
Seriously, you can't take a Mac advocate's casual blog post, post it here yourself, and then argue that it isn't fair and balanced enough. It is not Jon Gruber's job to shout from the rooftops when things go wrong with Apple products.

And chances are, if it is a real problem, there will be a starred long-form blog post forthcoming from Gruber describing it in more detail.

This is among the more tiresome recurring complaints on HN. "Gruber is biased". Shocking! Next you'll tell me John Nack really isn't critical enough about Adobe! Can we give this a rest?

Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by thegreatcurve on Monday October 25, 2010 @10:29PM (#1832649)
It is not Jon Gruber's job to shout from the rooftops when things go wrong with Apple products.

No, it's not, but given the influence that his blog has, being widely read both inside and outside Apple, it's a real shame that he doesn't. It would be a wonderful thing if he held Apple to account more often.

Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by tptacek on Monday October 25, 2010 @10:37PM (#1832679)
This makes no sense to me. He practically started the blog to write glowing things about Apple. He has the influence has has because he is an extremely good writer; he's tight, pithy, is relentlessly creative, and has a unique voice; he's also very well-sourced, which sets up a virtuous cycle for him. He didn't get his donation as a line item grant from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and he doesn't owe us anything.

I actually don't agree with the narrative that Gruber is a shill, but even if we stipulate that he is to avoid an unproductive argument: so what?

Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by ZeroGravitas on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @05:06AM (#1833554)
I've read Gruber for years, and it used to be a mix of "interesting stuff in the Apple world", "Kubrick/Baseball/BBedit/Applescript/typography nits" and "criticisms of Apple" (usually centred around lack of attention to detail, interface annoyances or not being faithful to the pre-OS X way of doing things).

As an Apple owner and fan, I enjoyed reading those intelligent criticisms. Clearly this has changed, but lets not go rewriting history.

The last line of his first blog post:

"But if it’s the latter — that is, if pro users are giving the finger to Mac OS X — things could get ugly."

I wonder why he felt more able to criticize them when they were "beleaguered" than now, when they're on top of the world. Possibly it's no more than being a crotchety OS 9 user thrust into the strange and uncomfortable world of early OS X. Some evidence of that here:

http://daringfireball.net/2002/09/welcome_indeed

On the other hand maybe he's checked his stats and found that trolling pays better.

And just for fun here's some claim chowder from one of his early posts:

"a vaporware Apple-branded mobile “iPhone” is getting a lot traction. Go ahead and read it, but remember that it’s all bullshit speculation at this point."

Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by tptacek on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @08:44AM (#1833938)
He said that in 2002.
Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by ZeroGravitas on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @09:32AM (#1834082)
That was a merely an amusing-in-hindsight observation, I even telegraphed it with the introduction of "just for fun".

Maybe the tipsters were right and there was a skunkworks project working on the iPhone even then (Jobs says the iPhone grew out of iPad work that must have been going on for years before we saw the iPhone, never mind the iPad) or alternatively maybe Apple picked up the name for their product from the rumours. Either way I find it interesting, and it underscores the old adage that making predictions is a mug's game.

Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by solutionyogi on Monday October 25, 2010 @09:12PM (#1832448)
Actually, I wasn't complaining. Just observing. I don't know why I should not be allowed to note all the instances where Gruber's bias show up.
Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by tptacek on Monday October 25, 2010 @09:16PM (#1832463)
Here's a hint: you didn't just spot another elusive occurance of the fabled Gruber bias. He wears it on his sleeve.
Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by treblig on Monday October 25, 2010 @09:45PM (#1832545)
Sleeve? It's damn near tattooed on his arm :)
Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by ugh on Monday October 25, 2010 @09:16PM (#1832462)
How can he downplay it when we don’t even know the full extent of the problem? That forum thread is not exactly ginormous and as you can see, many updated without a problem (myself included).

It’s an absolutely horrible bug but Gruber doesn’t say otherwise.

Oh, and also, this is no Antennagate. Nobody cares about iPhoto, at least if compared to the amount of people who care about the iPhone.

Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by jmreid on Monday October 25, 2010 @09:07PM (#1832425)
I upgraded two libraries to iPhoto 11 without a single issue. One was 40,000 pictures and the other was 5,000.
Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by rbanffy on Monday October 25, 2010 @09:37PM (#1832531)
The immense majority will experience no issue, as it would be expected that any bug that creates data loss would be a release blocker and, had it been verified during development, it would have been hunted down implacably.

Chances are it didn't manifest itself before.

For what I know of Steve's reputation, I wouldn't like to be in the iPhoto team right now.

But then, I would always keep the photos as separate files on a directory tree with the metadata in a single file. This way, the chances of a catastrophic data loss would be very slim.

Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by killdashnine on Monday October 25, 2010 @09:05PM (#1832418)
I upgraded my 30gb photo album to iphoto '11 yesterday w/o any issues at all
Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by solutionyogi on Monday October 25, 2010 @09:10PM (#1832436)
I am sure there are cases where upgrade didn't cause any issue. That doesn't mean all these other reports are invalid.

In fact, I was going to make another comment asking about how can bug like this happen. I am sure that Apple QA team tested the upgrade functionality and they didn't find it. I am really finding it hard to imagine what kind of corner case the code ran into, which caused deletion of precious data.

EDIT: Wow. This is interesting. So one person could upgrade w/o issues and that's why my comment which points out that there are other VALID, repeatable instances where upgrade did not go smooth gets downvotes. That's funny.

Re:iPhoto 11 upgrade problems by YooLi on Tuesday October 26, 2010 @12:29AM (#1832974)
Edit: never mind. Misread.