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Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by janc_ on Sunday October 28, 2018 @04:28PM (#18322957)
Oracle sales means promising everything and delivering half of that at best. Are you sure you want to use that as an example?
Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by phkahler on Sunday October 28, 2018 @06:50PM (#18323697)
...promising everything and delivering half of that at best...

I work for a company driven by sales people. It sucks. They keep promising things we don't have and complaining that engineering can't deliver. IMHO a good sales person should be able to sell what we have. Any jackass can make empty promises.

Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by bunderbunder on Sunday October 28, 2018 @10:21PM (#18324532)
Sales people typically do exactly what they're paid to do - no more, no less. You can shout at them 'til you're blue in the face about overpromising, but, if you've got their pay structure set up such that they can earn more commission by making wild promises, then they're going to keep on making wild promises.
Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by pishpash on Sunday October 28, 2018 @09:22PM (#18324288)
Make them do proper accounting, an empty promise costs more engineering dollars than a believable one, and the difference should not be determined by sales.
Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by knightofmars on Monday October 29, 2018 @08:12AM (#18326809)
The sales process needs both rewards (commission) as well as punishments (commission loss based on unmet delivery). The idea, "As soon as the contract is signed I should get my money." is a broken one as it reinforces the type of behavior that leads to unrealistic promises being made. The 50% at signing and 50% at delivery model is better for this reason. Yes, there would need to be additional language surrounding what an "unmet delivery" would be and how it would be gauged with relation to promises made during the sales process.
Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by int_19h on Sunday October 28, 2018 @04:49PM (#18323088)
In this context, the only thing that matters is whether Oracle's strategy is more successful at generating profits than RedHat's. Is it?
Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by phs318u on Monday October 29, 2018 @12:41AM (#18325112)
You got half? That's pretty good! ;)
Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by benchaney on Sunday October 28, 2018 @04:45PM (#18323060)
If they can still sell despite having that (very much deserved) reputation, then their sales teams must be pretty impressive.
Re:IBM acquires Red Hat by coredog64 on Sunday October 28, 2018 @06:51PM (#18323709)
As Rick James used to say, "Cocaine is a hell of a drug!"