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Re:Raising of Chicago by paulie_a on Friday October 26, 2018 @03:18PM (#18312036)
I can't compare NYC vs Chicago. But Chicago has plenty of honking. To the extent that I think Chicago should fine people for it. If you lay on the horn for more than ten seconds you should get a 1000 dollar fine and lose your license. That is how excessive and obnoxious it is.

Typically taxi drivers are the worst with that behavior. I can understand giving a tap when someone isn't paying attention to a green light. But laying on the horn when no one is moving because traffic is backed up for three stop lights, fuck those people.

Re:Raising of Chicago by wenc on Friday October 26, 2018 @04:27PM (#18312477)
Chicago taxi drivers are some of the most obnoxious drivers on the road. However, I can sort of understand why. (not to excuse them or anything)

The Chicago downtown driving experience, while not terrible like NYC, can be annoying because there are so many bad drivers about (Illinois licensing is very lax). There are drivers parked on bike lanes, drivers suddenly stopping and double parking, drivers not signalling or leaving their turn signals on without any intention of changing lanes. Couple that with out-of-town drivers from Wisconsin and Indiana who are unfamiliar with traffic patterns, anyone who spends a lot of time driving downtown is liable to build up a lot of resentment.

Re:Raising of Chicago by paulie_a on Friday October 26, 2018 @07:18PM (#18313385)
As someone that grew up in Wisconsin and drove mostly in that state, my take away about driving on Chicago is: go out of your way to be an asshole, turn signals are not allowed, use your horn unnecessarily and excessively.

A few months ago I was on the highway and saw a Porsche cayenne driving safe and actually using turn signals. Honestly that is like spotting a unicorn.

Re:Raising of Chicago by tacomonstrous on Friday October 26, 2018 @05:32PM (#18312862)
>Illinois licensing is very lax

In my first (and only) driving test in Chicago, the very first thing I did was roll the stop sign at the exit for the testing facility. Got a mild reprimand from the examiner, but passed the test.

Re:Raising of Chicago by paulie_a on Sunday October 28, 2018 @01:45PM (#18321828)
It was shockingly easy to get drivers license in Il. Granted I didn't need to take a road test, the written test was so simplistic a 12 year old could probably pass it.

If I had to do a road test I would have failed hard because of the number of fbombs I dropped at other drivers. Or I might have passed because of it. Hard to tell.

Re:Raising of Chicago by monksy on Friday October 26, 2018 @05:30PM (#18312844)
The behavior of drivers have gotten worse because the cops aren't out there. (They reprioritized after the introduction of red light and speed cameras).

Also, don't get me started on the bikers they're, for the most part, are a menace to walkers and drivers.

Re:Raising of Chicago by paulie_a on Friday October 26, 2018 @07:22PM (#18313399)
It really depends in regards to bikers. I see a lot of them safely run red lights. Which they shouldn't do of course. But I also see great restraint when some tourist is in the bright green and clearly bike lane. A bike ride swerved and nicely said "You almost got hit"
Re:Raising of Chicago by wenc on Saturday October 27, 2018 @01:34AM (#18314504)
Bikers are allowed to go through red lights if they don't turn green in 120 secs [1]. It's a silly rule, but there it is.

Problem is most bikers don't wait 120 secs. So these things happen. [2]

[1] https://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publicat...

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/6oh7qw/that_accide...

Re:Raising of Chicago by paulie_a on Saturday October 27, 2018 @10:58AM (#18315972)
I didn't know about that. I don't blame them for just running them on occasion. I jwalk, but that is a bit less dangerous than flying through a red light because you think no one is coming. Most bikers don't stop let alone wait for 10 seconds.
Re:Raising of Chicago by monksy on Saturday October 27, 2018 @06:55PM (#18318159)
From what I've noticed:

1. Jaywalking is rare % wise. Most of the time I see people who jaywalk, do so very carefully. The worst of pedestrians that I see are the ones who ignore pedestrian lights without reguard for traffic or the ones who stand in bike lines.

2. Most cyclists either weakly obey rules, or flat out disregard them. (weakly, as in they'll wait in the crosswalk or fail to yield to pedestrians) The majority of the time that I see a biker on the sidewalk (above 18, by law it's 12+ you're not allowed to bike on the sidewalk) I'll point out where the road is to them and the response is "fuck you".

Re:Raising of Chicago by paulie_a on Sunday October 28, 2018 @12:42PM (#18321423)
In my experience jwalking definitely is done in 99 percent tile with complete situational awareness. most cyclists really do obey laws or ignore them when safe. Which is understandable, I've run red lights when no one is around.

But what does piss me off is nearly getting clipped by a biker on the sidewalk. I've never seen a person under 25 riding on the sidewalk. And for some reason it seems to be a guy with a beard and fixed gear bike.

Re:Raising of Chicago by monksy on Sunday October 28, 2018 @11:42PM (#18324898)
Are we talking about Chicago?

I frequently see people from about 20-40s riding on the sidewalk. It's rare to see an under 12 or a senior citizen riding on the sidewalk. Although I did get told "fuck you" by a middle age guy when I pointed to where the road was. (He and his wife were riding on the sidewalk).

From my experience, it's rare to see a cyclist obey traffic laws. I'm just shocked to see them even use hand signals. (The better explanation for that is that I'm hallucinating it's that rare)