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Re:Raising of Chicago by msla on Friday October 26, 2018 @01:15PM (#18311164)
> Go to Europe and enjoy your stroll through the public streets of cities that were designed for walking.

Go to Venice and get hopelessly lost. In a hailstorm.

I kid, but, one, that did happen to me, and, two, the Classic European City is pleasant to walk but unpleasant to navigate unless you're head-down over a GPS-enabled phone with turn-by-turn navigation, in contrast to, say, Chicago or Manhattan, where the streets are a grid and you can plot a course almost instantly upon hearing an address.

Re:Raising of Chicago by __jal on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:58PM (#18313312)
If you expect everything everywhere to be a grid, sure, your mental model is not reality-compatible.

Thing is, that's also true of most "grid" cities, too - San Francisco offers you two grids, and then ignores both of them in hilly regions. Most cities I can think of in other places also are inconsistent.

Re:Raising of Chicago by justinator on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:52PM (#18313742)
There's a great story of some Parisian aristocrats that attempted to flee Paris, but became hopelessly lost! Turns out a map of the city hadn't yet been created.
Re:Raising of Chicago by 4ad on Friday October 26, 2018 @04:12PM (#18312380)
Gee, I wonder how we europeans managed to live in cities for hundreds of years without GPS devices.
Re:Raising of Chicago by azernik on Friday October 26, 2018 @04:18PM (#18312429)
By living in the same city for your entire lifetime and learning the quirks of the local layout by heart. Accessibility to newcomers was not optimized for.
Re:Raising of Chicago by 4ad on Friday October 26, 2018 @04:21PM (#18312450)
I don't know, I visited almost every major european city back when portable GPS devices were not a thing, and I never had a problem navigating. Even now, I almost never use the GPS.

In fact the only time I ever got lost in a foreign city was a few months back in New York because instead of going with my gut I trusted the GPS.

Re:Raising of Chicago by acjohnson55 on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:59PM (#18313317)
I got lost plenty of times in Europe pre-GPS. I typically had a physical map, but this wasn't always sufficient. You'd simply have to fall back in things like payphone calls and asking strangers for help.
Re:Raising of Chicago by akie on Saturday October 27, 2018 @01:34AM (#18314505)
Is asking people for directions in an unknown environment really that terrible?
Re:Raising of Chicago by vageli on Saturday October 27, 2018 @04:48AM (#18314916)
> Is asking people for directions in an unknown environment really that terrible?

If there's a language barrier that becomes more challenging.

Re:Raising of Chicago by wenc on Saturday October 27, 2018 @08:09AM (#18315385)
Also in places like Venice and Barcelona that are overrun by tourists, asking for directions disrupts the lives of locals. Imagine being asked for directions a dozen or more times a day. Thank goodness for Google Maps and data plans.
Re:Raising of Chicago by the_clarence on Saturday October 27, 2018 @08:01PM (#18318379)
Lol. I guess you should stay in your comfortable country
Re:Raising of Chicago by wenc on Saturday October 27, 2018 @08:12AM (#18315392)
Older parts of European cities can be a bit harder to navigate. I’m thinking the El Gotic neighborhood in Barcelona and Alfama in Lisbon. But one does get used to it after a day or so.
Re:Raising of Chicago by the_clarence on Friday October 26, 2018 @04:22PM (#18312454)
Oh. It must be so hard to be tourist in Europe right? Well... No.
Re:Raising of Chicago by azernik on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:39PM (#18313685)
Those old cities make up for it in other ways ^_^
Re:Raising of Chicago by bobthepanda on Friday October 26, 2018 @02:43PM (#18311783)
You can have a walkable European city on a grid, e.g. Barcelona, Turin.
Re:Raising of Chicago by solarkraft on Friday October 26, 2018 @07:50PM (#18313529)
Everything looking the same is not that great. Though I do appreciate the clarity of possible moves.
Re:Raising of Chicago by rayiner on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:03PM (#18313574)
It’s efficient which is great. The opposite is whimsy, which is bad.
Re:Raising of Chicago by barrkel on Saturday October 27, 2018 @03:13AM (#18314695)
Efficient and whimsical are not the only adjectives that apply.
Re:Raising of Chicago by gregknicholson on Saturday October 27, 2018 @07:43AM (#18315329)
Efficiency is good, but whimsy is splendiforous.
Re:Raising of Chicago by the_clarence on Friday October 26, 2018 @04:21PM (#18312446)
Is this a joke to point out how "hard" it is to find one's way if streets are not perfect grids? I like it.