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Re:Raising of Chicago by spongeb00b on Friday October 26, 2018 @12:51PM (#18310946)
I wouldn’t want to even say “designed” as much as grown organically around us over a few hundred years.
Re:Raising of Chicago by eloisant on Saturday October 27, 2018 @02:22AM (#18314590)
European cities are very much design through urban planning and zoning laws.

They kept evolving during centuries. In French cities for example they destroyed the small alleys to make big roads for cars, and in more recent years we're back to giving priority to pedestrian, bikes and public transportation.

Re:Raising of Chicago by OldHand2018 on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:57PM (#18313759)
> grown organically around us over a few hundred years

But in the case of Chicago, nobody really lived there until recently. I'd bet that in the last thousand years or more, there were never more than 500 people living in the general area until 1820 or so. The first Europeans in the area were the French, who saw it as an amazingly good logistics hub for shipping between New Orleans and their settlements in what is now Quebec. But they had no real interest in living in Chicago any more than Native Americans - up until the "Raising of Chicago", it was a pretty terrible place to live!

If you are in Chicago and come across a road that is not on a grid with intersections at 90 degree angles, there is a fairly good chance that it is centuries-old Native American path. For example, Milwaukee Ave was a path that led to (what is now) Milwaukee, Michigan City Road was a path that led to (what is now) Michigan City (where it met up with the path that went from (what is now) Detroit to (what is now) Rock Island Illinois on the Mississippi River).

Re:Raising of Chicago by selectodude on Saturday October 27, 2018 @02:03AM (#18314559)
Lincoln Ave was an indian trail that went from Chicago to Waukegan. The Green Bay Trail (Clark Street to Ridge Ave to Green Bay Road to Green Bay, Wisconsin) has seen use since the days of woolly mammoths 12,000 years ago.

Very cool.

Re:Raising of Chicago by plussed_reader on Friday October 26, 2018 @04:53PM (#18312631)
Nothing organic about rebuilding the cities after WWII. Very much designed.
Re:Raising of Chicago by Udik on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:01PM (#18313565)
The cities rebuilt after WW2 are actually the worst for walkability and overall pleasantness, though in part of course they incorporate elements of the original city and in some cases they've even been rebuilt exactly as they were. Luckily they're a small minority of all European cities, although many jewels are lost forever.
Re:Raising of Chicago by solarkraft on Friday October 26, 2018 @07:43PM (#18313495)
Partly. It depends on how far you go back. The areas within former city walls (where people used to live) have pretty organically developed to being inner city business centers for most larger cities. Rebuilders honored this, but the initial development was probably not conceptionalized as a whole by a human beforehand.

This relates to the fact (and I think this is what the parent poster is referring to) that these cities started way before any cars or bikes existed, so cities had to work for pedestrians.

Re:Raising of Chicago by Udik on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:05PM (#18313581)
> The areas within former city walls (where people used to live) have pretty organically developed to being inner city business centers for most larger cities.

Hmmm. I disagree. In (continental) Europe the historical city centres are still the place where people live. Business areas have generally been built outside the historical part, except for the case where inner cities where destroyed in WW2. Maybe that's what you meant?

Re:Raising of Chicago by justinator on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:50PM (#18313733)
? Take Paris: businesses on the main floor, apartments above. Zoning in the States frequently won't allow this.
Re:Raising of Chicago by the_clarence on Saturday October 27, 2018 @12:35AM (#18314373)
He meant CBD. In paris this is la defense. Which is not a very nice place to live.
Re:Raising of Chicago by etiennemarcel on Saturday October 27, 2018 @02:16AM (#18314580)
Paris doesn't really have a CBD (but many smaller ones) but if it had it would be around Saint-Lazare/Opera rather than la Défense in my opinion.
Re:Raising of Chicago by mcgarnagle on Friday October 26, 2018 @02:36PM (#18311733)
not to be a stickler but I think that the word would be designed. Otherwise you can apply that statement to anything, it's like saying smartphones weren't designed so much as grown organically. Just because requirements, and technology progress doesn't make it any less design for that time.
Re:Raising of Chicago by solarkraft on Friday October 26, 2018 @07:49PM (#18313524)
A human thinks about the smartphone as a whole, drafts it up and builds it [slightly simplifiedly].

Old cities started as settlements, which more and more people moved to. Those people considered things like walking distance. Maybe they "designed" the places to put their homes, but the thing as a whole was in many cases not planned-through.

And even with the cities that were, pedestrian comfort was the main (or one of the main) concern(s).

Re:Raising of Chicago by the_clarence on Friday October 26, 2018 @01:10PM (#18311120)
New streets and building are still designed for this purpose. Compare that to large american streets that take forever to cross.