China systematically hijacks internet traffic: researchers

Re:China systematically hijacks internet traffic: researchers by qubax on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:05AM (#18308456)

Just like programming languages can only have two out of three concepts ( soundness, completeness, decidability ), the creators of the internet had to choose two out of three concepts ( openness, robustness, security ).

It's theoretically impossible to have a language that is sound, complete and decidable. It's probably also impossible to have an internet that is open, robust and secure.

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Re:China systematically hijacks internet traffic: researchers by jstanley on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:07AM (#18308462)

I don't think that argument holds water.

Which one of "open, robust, secure" do you think Tor doesn't meet?

You can pick any 3 concepts and group them together like that, but it doesn't mean you can't have all 3, e.g. a house can be "large, cheap, and well-decorated" (e.g. if it is in the middle of nowhere).

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Re:China systematically hijacks internet traffic: researchers by kklimonda on Friday October 26, 2018 @12:14PM (#18310590)

How does one use Tor without the internet?

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Re:China systematically hijacks internet traffic: researchers by ZeKZ on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:17AM (#18308521)

Tor lacks usability and efficiency.

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Re:China systematically hijacks internet traffic: researchers by jstanley on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:30AM (#18308593)

The efficiency isn't as bad as it used to be. I browse using Tor as a matter of course now, and it's fine.

What's the usability problem? Just that you have to download Tor Browser instead of Firefox?

The usability of setting up a hidden service is actually easier than getting an SSL certificate.

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Re:China systematically hijacks internet traffic: researchers by Filligree on Friday October 26, 2018 @08:21AM (#18308552)

Those weren't on the list. ;-)

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