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Re:Green tea supplements ruined my liver by istjohn on Thursday October 25, 2018 @09:13AM (#18300607)
Strongly disagree.

>This article is only interesting if you still conflate "green tea" with "natural" and "natural" with "safe".

Green tea _is_ natural. And I conflate "consumed daily by millions of people for thousands of years without incident" with safe. Green tea is not an obscure herb like echinachea or ginko biloba. The idea that putting it in capsules would make it dangerous is not obvious at all. It sounds like magical thinking. So the fact that it is true, and it is in fact dangerous, is actually quite curious to my mind.

Re:Green tea supplements ruined my liver by vorpalhex on Thursday October 25, 2018 @09:27AM (#18300707)
"All things are poison, and nothing is without poison, the dosage alone makes it so a thing is not a poison." - Paracelsus

Think about the amount of green tea (the plant) that you actually consume in a cup of tea. Even if it's loose tea and you've done a sloppy job, perhaps a few granules.

Now imagine popping a couple of capsules packed with the stuff every day. All of a sudden your intake of something has spiked a few hundred times. It could be cinnamon and you'd have health consequences.

Re:Green tea supplements ruined my liver by bunderbunder on Thursday October 25, 2018 @09:42AM (#18300809)
Also, you're usually just drinking the bits that readily dissolve in water, not the whole leaf.

Go to a tea shop and order some Dragonwell, and drink it. Then have a bowl of matcha. You will feel the difference, and it can be a rather alarming one.

Edit: Why that's a big distinction: Your body typically flushes water soluble chemicals fairly easily. It has a harder time with the ones that aren't water soluble, so they tend to accumulate over time. So capsule of tea leaves is probably not the same thing as a cup of tea, from a pharmacological perspective, and theres good basis to assume that it has a lot more ability to hurt you. The same goes for pill version of traditional medicinal teas (echinacea, kava kava, etc.)

Re:Green tea supplements ruined my liver by detaro on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:27AM (#18308053)
> It could be cinnamon and you'd have health consequences.

Funny that you picked that as an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon#Toxicity

Same thing: tasty, used for ages, but problematic in large quantities.

Re:Green tea supplements ruined my liver by dgacmu on Thursday October 25, 2018 @09:48AM (#18300839)
Tonka bean has been eaten daily by millions of people for thousands of years. It's delicious. I had some in a dessert just last month. Fantastically good.

The seeds contain 1-3% coumarin. In large quantities, it's toxic to the liver and kidneys, and is banned as a food additive in the US.

As others noted, there are a lot of things we consume in normal doses that if you consumed 10-50x as much would likely cause problems for at least some percent of the people who eat them.

Re:Green tea supplements ruined my liver by magduf on Thursday October 25, 2018 @10:25AM (#18301119)
>As others noted, there are a lot of things we consume in normal doses that if you consumed 10-50x as much would likely cause problems for at least some percent of the people who eat them.

Exactly: try drinking 50x as much water as you normally do. You'll probably die of water poisoning. Is water a poison?

Re:Green tea supplements ruined my liver by dwighttk on Thursday October 25, 2018 @09:15AM (#18300618)
But you would still like to see the doseage he was taking though, right? (That was the original complaint)
Re:Green tea supplements ruined my liver by robbiemitchell on Thursday October 25, 2018 @09:33AM (#18300753)
The point was that you can't make the second leap: from green tea to natural, then natural to safe.

And dosage matters.

Re:Green tea supplements ruined my liver by PurpleRamen on Friday October 26, 2018 @06:18AM (#18308023)
> Green tea _is_ natural.

No it's not. Green Tea is a manmade liquid made from natural leafs. And those leafs are usually not eaten over a longer timeframe.

Re:Green tea supplements ruined my liver by nonce725 on Sunday October 28, 2018 @12:15PM (#18321280)
Not only this, but the levels of herbicides+pesticides in grocery-store brand teas is apparently terrible.

I've had a friend who worked at a chemical testing lab for a grocery chain who flat out stopped drinking tea - even organic certified - after running the tests for the client. Every single brand tested positive for quantities a trained biochemist wasn't comfortable with.

I can't imagine how bad concentrated extracts are.

Re:Green tea supplements ruined my liver by ubercode5 on Thursday October 25, 2018 @10:04AM (#18300952)
It's possible to overdose on water.