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Re:Bringing transparency to ER prices, one hospital bill at ... by xienze on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @09:54PM (#18289067)
Part of it is because consumers are completely detached from the price aspect of medical care. Getting an estimate, shopping around? Forget it. It’s a black box.

And, frankly, part of it is because hospitals can’t refuse care to anyone and if they can’t pay, someone else has to.

Re:Bringing transparency to ER prices, one hospital bill at ... by maxxxxx on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @11:23PM (#18289459)
"And, frankly, part of it is because hospitals can’t refuse care to anyone and if they can’t pay, someone else has to. "

I think that's a cheap excuse they have to rip off everybody else. I would like to see the actual numbers of people who aren't paying and what losses they incur.

Re:Bringing transparency to ER prices, one hospital bill at ... by maxerickson on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @06:50AM (#18291240)
It's substantial but doesn't come anywhere near explaining prices. The PDF here has some numbers:

https://www.aha.org/data-insights/2018-01-03-uncompensated-h...

Somewhere in the ballpark of $40 billion dollars a year vs total revenues in the ballpark of $3 trillion. Various aspects of Obamacare had the effect of leveling them off.

There is likely additional underpayment due to Medicaid and Medicare (to the extent those programs are underfunded and operate by mandating care, they are a hidden tax).

Re:Bringing transparency to ER prices, one hospital bill at ... by iwiririwo on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @11:06PM (#18289391)
That's what mandatory insurance is for. Everyone pays what they can, and gets what they need. Doesn't work perfectly, but allows me to go to a hospital anytime without being broke after.

There's benefit for everybody, which is risk reduction. You actually blame poor people for going to the ER in case of emergency.

Re:Bringing transparency to ER prices, one hospital bill at ... by darkerside on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @10:37PM (#18289269)
It's crazy because the initial idea was, insurers would be more educated buyers and thus better able to negotiate with medical providers. As it turns out, with no skin in the game, they hardly seem to care to negotiate prices at all!
Re:Bringing transparency to ER prices, one hospital bill at ... by olliej on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @01:42AM (#18289985)
They do negotiate - the prices they’re charged are vastly less than what you would be as an individual.

As far as I can tell the problem is really the big HMOs seem to be essentially managing another companies money, rather than their own, and they essentially get a cut of money going in and out of them.