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Re:Spent – Poverty Simulator (2011) by SolaceQuantum on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @11:15AM (#18284048)
Because chances are people who are systematically impoverished are also not properly educated on how to exercise birth control in effective manners, or don't have the resources to access abortion services (especially in states where there are less than a handful of clinics that offer the services in the first place of have regulations explicitly to limit a woman's bodily autonomy rights), or had children before the breadwinner of the family was put in jail or otherwise lost their jobs due to the disproportionate choice in law enforcement in USA.

There is, in fact, a massive confluence of reasons why poor people end up having children, and shaming them for doing so instead of helping those reasons will not help anyone.

Re:Spent – Poverty Simulator (2011) by empath75 on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @11:20AM (#18284107)
Also, because they're like _human beings_ who need a family like everyone else does.
Re:Spent – Poverty Simulator (2011) by golergka on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @11:53AM (#18284450)
Shaming is education. It creates a very strong cultural and emotional tie to knowledge, motivating people to act in a certain way.

If we lived on a planet where every person was a rational, level-headed adult, lectures and books would be enough of an education. Sadly, most of the people are irrational and emotional; if you want to steer them towards better life decisions, for their sake as well as society's, shame is a very good tool.

Re:Spent – Poverty Simulator (2011) by darpa_escapee on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @12:24PM (#18284765)
Shaming creates pariahs. Shaming gives others the incentive to ignore, blame, shun, harm and not help those who are shamed.

America has a long, ugly history of shaming single mothers, sexual abuse victims, adulterers and interracial and non-heterosexual relationships. I don't think that we should encourage more of it.

> Sadly, most of the people are irrational and emotional; if you want to steer them towards better life decisions, for their sake as well as society's, shame is a very good tool.

Would you use the word 'paternalistic' to describe your views on an ideal society?

Re:Spent – Poverty Simulator (2011) by SolaceQuantum on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @04:31PM (#18287184)
This post does not address the other reasons I have stated.
Re:Spent – Poverty Simulator (2011) by zeroname on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @12:26PM (#18284788)
> Because chances are people who are systematically impoverished are also not properly educated on how to exercise birth control in effective manners

This is not true at all. Everyone knows how not to have children, just like everyone knows smoking can cause cancer. People just take the risk anyway. It's basic human irrationality, no amount of education can fix it.

Societal pressure, on the other hand, does have some of the desired effect, even if it's not a "nice thing" like education.

Re:Spent – Poverty Simulator (2011) by ceejayoz on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @01:15PM (#18285306)
> This is not true at all. Everyone knows how not to have children...

I used to help moderate a LiveJournal community called "amipregnant" and this is a laughably false assertion.

"Yes, you can get pregnant your first time having sex" and "no, you can't get pregnant from sitting on a toilet seat a boy used" were both pretty common sorts of things we had to tell folks.

Re:Spent – Poverty Simulator (2011) by SolaceQuantum on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @04:33PM (#18287194)
Do you have proof that societal pressure via shaming results in systematic changes the way you’re describing? From what I remember, there are studies regarding the shaming of women and bodily image that doesnt seem to correlate shaming for misbehavior with better behavior (Ie. Eating less).
Re:Spent – Poverty Simulator (2011) by zeroname on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @11:50PM (#18289577)
That's a bit of a special case, because shaming creates stress, while people with an eating disorder eat to reduce stress.

Otherwise, I think it's self-evident. There's many behaviors that would've been socially unacceptable a hundred years ago, which today are accepted and far more common. For a somewhat related example, consider inter-racial or (to some degree) inter-religious marriages.

Re:Spent – Poverty Simulator (2011) by SolaceQuantum on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @07:48AM (#18291550)
If it’s self evident, then it should be rudimentary to study.
Re:Spent – Poverty Simulator (2011) by zeroname on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @08:01AM (#18291631)
Exactly, so please go ahead and study it.