Re:World's longest sea crossing: Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge opens
by phyller on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @11:21AM
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Tian gao, Huangdi yuan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian_gao,_Huangdi_yuan
Re:World's longest sea crossing: Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge opens
by maeln on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @10:35AM
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Honest question: why would the government try to drive economic influence away from Shenzhen ?
Re:World's longest sea crossing: Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge opens
by Balero on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @10:46AM
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My, completely amateur, idea would be that, there are two major regions in China for centralised power. Beijing and Shanghai. Now with the massive growth in the Peal River Delta region, there is a base for a third major region. Currently it is not, because there is no one leader, you have Macau, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, and a large number of other cities in the region.
If Shenzhen, and the people in charge there, are able to become the defacto leaders of the entire region, then you have another centralised regional base, away from Beijing. Which means less power in the central government.
Re:World's longest sea crossing: Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge opens
by Hasknewbie on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @11:11AM
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One possible reason: Shenzhen is an economic behemoth that's also a new city (it was basically a fishing village until the 80s), which mean it has fewer 'old hands' there and is relatively free of corruption and socially more liberal (by Mainland standards). In other words, the Communist Party is less influential there than in other major urban centers. Under the reign of Uncle Xi this might be frowned upon.
Re:World's longest sea crossing: Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge opens
by csomar on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @10:53AM
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How would you explain the high speed train between Shenzhen and Hong Kong then? It was built recently and would make the two cities powerfully connected.
Re:World's longest sea crossing: Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge opens
by erikpukinskis on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @12:51PM
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Isn’t the high speed rail network a nationwide initiative?
Re:World's longest sea crossing: Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge opens
by Taniwha on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @02:27PM
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yes it's really access for HKG to the full Chinese HSR system - you can commute to Shenzhen, I'm told it's still a sl,owish process (only been open a month or so)
Re:World's longest sea crossing: Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge opens
by bobthepanda on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @05:47PM
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A good chunk of the travel time savings is mostly just shuffling the process around; rather than travel to the border Lo Wu and go through border checkpoint there, you do border clearance in West Kowloon.
Re:World's longest sea crossing: Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge opens
by baybal2 on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @12:05AM
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People with electronic pass and CRH card can use the train as easy as riding a metro
Re:World's longest sea crossing: Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge opens
by Taniwha on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @01:57PM
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Sadly as an APEC card holder I can get a Hong Kong e-pass attached to my passport (to enter Hong Kong), but not the equivalent for China
Re:World's longest sea crossing: Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge opens
by Balero on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @10:41AM
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I've never heard of this dynamic between the individual cities/regions and the central planners before. But it makes complete sense. Most of my reading on the Pearl River Delta is about re-integration Hong Kong and Macau.
Do you have any recommendations for further learning about it?
Re:World's longest sea crossing: Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge opens
by nemo846 on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @01:02AM
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Guess this is one of the inefficiencies of China.
The central government has to spend resources / outright kneecap regions to keep them under their thumb.
Their mandate to rule seem wholly dependent on wealth.
Re:World's longest sea crossing: Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge opens
by akavel on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @11:57AM
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Won't it get jeopardised in some way by the central goverment, if it's not to their liking?
Re:World's longest sea crossing: Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge opens
by baybal2 on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @12:01AM
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Well, it was. They prohibited Guangdong provincial funds from being used in Zhongshan–Shenzhen bridge, that's why the city has to use its own money.
Lingdingyang being declared a national nature reserve was also all about sinking the previous Lingdingyang tunnel project.
Best to say, central planners and "upstart localities" are in "passive aggressive" relationships
Re:World's longest sea crossing: Hong Kong-Zhuhai bridge opens
by akavel on Wednesday October 24, 2018 @05:11AM
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Your responses give me the most interesting glimpse behind the curtain on how's the real life working in China I've ever had; super interesting, thanks a lot for this! :) I'll have to try to ask my parents in what ways it was similar or different in "communist" Poland. Though I think the situation may have been much more loose there then, from what I understand I think nobody really took the communism seriously in their hearts in there; at least after some point in history. But I may be totally wrong on this full well.
The bridge was more about diverting economic influence of HK's away from Shenzhen, than providing an economic benefit to HK.
Shenzhen's answer was building their own bridge to another bank of the delta with their own money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhen%E2%80%93Zhongshan_Bri...
Once Shenzhen–Zhongshan bridge will be operational, it will completely jeopardise Hong Kong–Zhuhai–Macau Bridge economically.
On top of that, there is a persistent rumour that there is a political will to do a tunnel to Nei Lingding island, and add another connection to Zhuhai from there (so called revived Lingdingyang tunnel.) This is also the very reason why Beijing has declared the tiny Lingding island a "National Level" natural reserve, thus depriving Shenzhen's officials jurisdiction over it.