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Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by tspike on Saturday October 20, 2018 @01:05PM (#18264197)
This is great news and may serve as a model for other cities facing similar housing shortages. Was the speculation tax a ballot measure or something passed at the city council level?
Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by Patrick_Devine on Saturday October 20, 2018 @01:28PM (#18264326)
It's hard to draw direct comparisons between Vancouver and San Francisco's housing markets. Canada, as well as each of the provinces, local municipalities, and cities, have representational democracy, not a quasi-direct democracy like California.

The spike in affordability in Vancouver wasn't caused directly due to a shortage in housing stock and an influx of residents. It was caused by rampant speculation from people essentially using Vancouver as a safety net to park wealth.

I can't overstate how detrimental this is to a city. What you end up with are entire neighbourhoods which are occupied at 50% or less, and yet with the value of the homes exceeding $2-$4 million. It causes stores in those local neighbourhoods to close because there aren't enough customers. It taxes the fire department because no one is there to call 911 when a fire starts. It guts schools because there aren't enough kids to fill classrooms.

And with all of this going on, former local residents and young people are pushed further and further out of the urban core due to affordability. Vancouverites make less than half of what an average tech salary pays in the SF Bay Area, and the jobs are much harder to come by.

That said, yes, Airbnb and other vacation rentals were exacerbating the problem, and causing Vancouver to turn further into a vacation/tourism destination instead of a real working city. San Francisco suffers from this to a certain extent, however, its real problem is that it has a massive influx of workers due to a booming tech economy, and not enough housing stock to accommodate all of those workers.

Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by koolba on Saturday October 20, 2018 @01:40PM (#18264404)
> It guts schools because there aren't enough kids to fill classrooms.

That one doesn’t sound bad at all. Every other school district complains about the reviser, too many kids and not enough teachers / tax dollars.

Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by crazypyro on Saturday October 20, 2018 @01:43PM (#18264428)
Not sure about Canada, but I know in many places in America, schools are budgeted on a per student basis, so losing kids (who still are going to school, just somewhere else) strains the school they are leaving with less money and then strains the schools where they are migrating to as the infrastructure now has to support more kids without having time to ramp up.

So I think the problem kind of goes both ways.

Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by darawk on Saturday October 20, 2018 @01:52PM (#18264474)
In America, schools are also funded by property tax, though.
Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by YokoZar on Saturday October 20, 2018 @02:15PM (#18264600)
Not universally. In California, for instance, by law half of the state budget must go to education regardless of source.
Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday October 20, 2018 @02:40PM (#18264748)
California is unique because of Proposition 13, though.
Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by victorelu on Saturday October 20, 2018 @02:03PM (#18264542)
I think that’s one of the reasons Amsterdam has an anti-squatting law which basically forces owners that don’t live at home for a certain period in a year to rent it.
Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by DelaneyM on Saturday October 20, 2018 @02:11PM (#18264586)
Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by robotbikes on Saturday October 20, 2018 @02:24PM (#18264653)
Wouldn't this be a pro-squatting law ? Ie if you don't live in a property and leave it abandoned you risk people semi-legally squatting in it.
Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by reaperducer on Saturday October 20, 2018 @04:17PM (#18265198)
I can't overstate how detrimental this is to a city. What you end up with are entire neighbourhoods which are occupied at 50% or less, and yet with the value of the homes exceeding $2-$4 million. It causes stores in those local neighbourhoods to close because there aren't enough customers.

I've read that this is the case in London, as well. And probably lots of other cities with names that are well known in China and Russia.

Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by joncrane on Saturday October 20, 2018 @01:51PM (#18264467)
Wait, people were treating real estate in Vancouver like putting their money in the stock market?

And on top of that, there were lots of real estate investors who weren't even trying to keep their places occupied?

Isn't that super irresponsible investing?

Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by TomVDB on Saturday October 20, 2018 @02:09PM (#18264571)
For the longest time, it was very profitable investing.

It’s not less irresponsible than buying Tesla stock.

Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by Tiktaalik on Saturday October 20, 2018 @01:09PM (#18264227)
The speculation tax was a Provincial level election promise by the NDP. Interestingly since it is a minority government that governs with the support of the BC Green party, the legislation needed to be tweaked slightly to gain Green Party support.

The City of Vancouver implemented an empty homes tax, which has similar impacts on demand, but they had to ask the province for new powers in order to levy that.

Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by goatherders on Saturday October 20, 2018 @01:09PM (#18264225)
I believe the city has been adding different things for the last couple years trying to open up more rentals. If I recall correctly something like 25% of all condos downtown are unoccupied which is insane. They arent even available to rent, just sitting their empty.

It has had a real effect on employment, especially in tech. A friend of mine at hootsuite laments that sometimes they miss on great hires because even though the salary is competitive, there is literally nowhere within an hour of the office for the candidate to afford to live.

Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by jimrandomh on Saturday October 20, 2018 @01:15PM (#18264254)
> If I recall correctly something like 25% of all condos downtown are unoccupied which is insane. They arent even available to rent, just sitting their empty.

You do not recall correctly. https://www.reuters.com/article/canada-housing-vancouver/nea...

Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by Tiktaalik on Saturday October 20, 2018 @01:29PM (#18264330)
He was probably thinking of Coal Harbour, a downtown neighbourhood which did have a census non-occupied by usual residents rate between 20-25%.
Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by romed on Saturday October 20, 2018 @01:23PM (#18264296)
5% is barely a functioning market. Normally you'd expect 8-10% vacancy rate in a well-supplied housing market.
Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by baybal2 on Saturday October 20, 2018 @03:26PM (#18264957)
The rest of Vancouver, and the downtown is quite a different thing.

In 2011, I did an occupancy survey for a college group study, and yes we counted 31% vacancy in Coal Harbour

Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by projectramo on Saturday October 20, 2018 @02:02PM (#18264530)
I think i see the confusion:

1% vacancy

5% unoccupied but not open to rent

So of the houses that are unoccupied, only 20% are vacant?

(I actually read it as 1/6th but the point is where the confusion may have come from)

Re:High-end house rents in Vancouver plunge up to 20% as inv... by goatherders on Saturday October 20, 2018 @02:09PM (#18264575)
Thanks, always nice to get a downvote when someone corrects a data point. And your link cites the whole area, not downtown. But thanks anyway.