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Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by Mediterraneo10 on Friday October 19, 2018 @10:59AM (#18257137)
That postcard with an aerial shot of housing blocks in Novi Beograd must represent a regional trend. In Romania after the turn of the millennium, I found some old postcards from the 1980s in a bookshop that were still, though covered in dust, for sale. Several of them were the same: aerial shots of new residential neighbourhoods with buildings of not particularly impressive architecture. I don’t know if Communist officials actually thought that Western tourists would be interested in these kind of shots, or if postcards were just exploited as one more disingenuous propaganda medium for boasting about development statistics. Probably a mix of both.
Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by DenisM on Friday October 19, 2018 @11:47AM (#18257549)
I can assure that people who lived in the wooden shacks found this picture amazing. An obvious demonstration that the country is moving into the future at neck-breaking speed.

Most propaganda I believe is targeted to their own population.

Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by Symbiote on Friday October 19, 2018 @11:40AM (#18257479)
Would there have been sufficient Western tourists for that to be a market?

I think it's more likely they were produced for the residents of those places, to send to friends and relatives. "Look how nice our new home is!" — and it was nice, in 1980, compared to what it replaced.

Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by ummonk on Friday October 19, 2018 @08:11PM (#18260969)
Well, seeing the sorry state of housing development in the Bay Area, that does seem rather impressive to me...
Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by frandroid on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @10:34AM (#18283682)
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Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by reaperducer on Friday October 19, 2018 @12:21PM (#18257783)
That postcard with an aerial shot of housing blocks in Novi Beograd must represent a regional trend.

Reminds me very much of what I saw in Brno, in what is now the Czech Republic. Also, modern-day Seoul, and many other large Asian cities.

I think it's just a different mindset. Where the West puts a high value on uniqueness, conformity is prized in other cultures.

See also: Vancouver's skyscrapers, and suburban tract housing, both of which are ridiculed for their sameness.

Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by icebraining on Friday October 19, 2018 @03:43PM (#18259424)
And yet, pre-soviet Russian architecture doesn't seem to share that trait.
Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by ak217 on Friday October 19, 2018 @03:51PM (#18259489)
Pre-Soviet Russian architecture served tens of thousands of highly privileged people in metro areas and estates. Meanwhile everyone else lived in izbas with no electricity, running water or sanitation, or worse.

The khruschyovkas and neobrutalist apartment blocks, for all their faults, lifted tens of millions of people out of medieval living conditions. They made extensive use of mass production and prefab.

Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by gandhium on Friday October 19, 2018 @04:06PM (#18259603)
Well, khruschyovkas and neobrutalist apartment blocks were started some 40 years _after_ Soviet rule was established.

So their primary target before that was not to take millions out of mediocre living conditions, but world revolutions and such.

Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by PeterisP on Saturday October 20, 2018 @03:05AM (#18262157)
Their primary target of those apartment blocks was to serve urbanization - to house millions that were moving (or were moved) out of rural villages, with their quite mediocre living conditions, to the industrialized cities. That process was quite ongoing 40 years after Soviet rule was established; lots and lots of peasants in 1950s-1970s USSR lived with a home environment that was quite comparable to early 1900s except with kolkhoz tractors and a propaganda radio. Moving to an apartment with running hot water, indoor toilet, and centralized heating was a major improvement for millions of people during Khruschev era, because their previous dwelling did not have those 'luxuries'.
Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by HarryHirsch on Friday October 19, 2018 @06:06PM (#18260438)
Before they had khrushchyovkas they had komunalkas. Most everyone is familiar with Doctor Zhivago, aren't they?
Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by ak217 on Friday October 19, 2018 @04:16PM (#18259686)
That it was. I am under no illusion about the communists.
Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by icebraining on Friday October 19, 2018 @07:25PM (#18260803)
No doubt, but that just reinforces my point; the conformity was the result of trying to build them out rapidly, not due to some preference in Russian culture. I wasn't criticizing the architecture.
Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by ptero on Friday October 19, 2018 @11:51AM (#18257585)
I suspect mostly second. For example, in Soviet Union housing was a huge pain point. Young (and not so young) residents who did not live with their parents lived in dorms for years (sometimes 10+ years) while the queue for their own apartment slowly moved on. Those postcards may be showing something to look up to only several short years away. I think.
Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by simias on Friday October 19, 2018 @11:17AM (#18257270)
Even in non-communist France these horrible concrete boxes were once hailed as the future of housing. When they were first built they had all the comfort the middle class yearned for at the time. The problem is that they degraded very fast and soon became synonymous with "poor people houses".

Here's a postcard from the 60's for instance: https://i.redd.it/3ofea4jd6k2z.jpg

Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by rfinney on Friday October 19, 2018 @12:21PM (#18257782)
Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by V-2 on Friday October 19, 2018 @11:30AM (#18257385)
France wasn't communist, but it was heavily influenced by communist ideas. I believe it had the second largest communist party in the West (after Italy), and Le Corbusier was highly revered in the USSR.
Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by Symbiote on Friday October 19, 2018 @12:00PM (#18257651)
You can find similar buildings in Britain, Sweden, Germany, Belgium and probably others.
Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by V-2 on Friday October 19, 2018 @12:19PM (#18257774)
Designs spread.
Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by rocky1138 on Friday October 19, 2018 @12:40PM (#18257942)
Hey! I live in one of those types of places. If they are kept up with the times and maintained properly they are a nice place to live

http://www.rentcompass.com/Rentals/Guelph/1407/2-Quebec-Stre...

Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by baybal2 on Friday October 19, 2018 @11:51AM (#18257587)
>horrible concrete boxes

The cubic shape has the best utilisation of materials per unit of usable space. Houses must be cubical.

Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by Jedd on Friday October 19, 2018 @06:15PM (#18260497)
> > horrible concrete boxes

> The cubic shape has the best utilisation of materials per unit of usable space. Houses must be cubical.

I think parent was describing combination of box-like aesthetics with the unpleasantness that is concrete.

I think you may be mistaken - domes are perhaps a better utilisation per unit of usable space.

Also, it's definitely not the case that houses must be cubical, for any reason(s), let alone just to attempt to maximise the ratio of materials per unit of area / volume.

Re:Postcards from Big Brother: The Curious Propaganda of a B... by fourthark on Saturday October 20, 2018 @08:31AM (#18262968)
Humans need natural light. Big cubes have a low proportion of rooms with natural light.