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Re:Paul Buchheit on Joining Google, How to Become a Great En... by anoncoward111 on Friday October 19, 2018 @07:46AM (#18255979)
Down here in real world land, I would be fired for voluntarily leaving my shift at any time.

I once had a manager tell me, "Show up or be fired. We will judge if you deserve to go home or not."

Yes, one should look for a better job elsewhere, and lately the economy has found more room for all of society's laborers regardless of vogue credentials.

However, I can't pay the bills with interviews, and often times I lose value through interviewing.

Re:Paul Buchheit on Joining Google, How to Become a Great En... by lighthazard on Friday October 19, 2018 @07:53AM (#18256013)
This sentiment is typical of the general HN population - a disconnect on the average person. What job wouldn't fire you for leaving in the middle of the day? Most likely a job where OP has a lot of freedom, trust, and respect - something that isn't readily available everywhere else.
Re:Paul Buchheit on Joining Google, How to Become a Great En... by cbzoiav on Friday October 19, 2018 @08:32AM (#18256232)
On the flip side I think a lot of people are just scared to push the boundaries.

If you have a manager who values you you'll often find you can get away with a lot more than you expect as long as you are still a strong benefit to the team.

Re:Paul Buchheit on Joining Google, How to Become a Great En... by coldtea on Friday October 19, 2018 @09:05AM (#18256416)
>What job wouldn't fire you for leaving in the middle of the day?

Many. Especially smaller shops in laxer countries.

Re:Paul Buchheit on Joining Google, How to Become a Great En... by anoncoward111 on Friday October 19, 2018 @09:07AM (#18256433)
Willing to bet you that it's less than 50% of total shops, therefore less than the word "many".
Re:Paul Buchheit on Joining Google, How to Become a Great En... by jfk13 on Friday October 19, 2018 @09:18AM (#18256493)
"many" ≠ "most". There can perfectly well be "many" while still being fewer than half.
Re:Paul Buchheit on Joining Google, How to Become a Great En... by anoncoward111 on Friday October 19, 2018 @09:22AM (#18256521)
You're totally right, I messed up my English! It's too early.

There could be 1m of X and 100m of y, for example

Re:Paul Buchheit on Joining Google, How to Become a Great En... by coldtea on Friday October 19, 2018 @01:30PM (#18258350)
Probably, which why I said "many" and not "most".

It's not a thing in big faceless corporations, chains, etc, for example (though it can be a thing in places like Google, MS, etc, with the right manager).

But on small businesses (e.g. 2-20 people) it's not uncommon in certain countries (thinking of Southern Europe that I know of) to have an understanding when one needs to leave. There are also practices like "siesta" where places close for a few hours altogether and people have lunch etc.

I was also surprised to see the hours kept in french towns (not Paris, smaller, but still big ones) that e.g. shops opened casually at around 10am, many were closed at lunchtime, and reopened again later, etc.

I'm pretty sure this is the case elsewhere without the "protestant work ethic" (or Japan's version of the same, instilled after lots of humiliating defeats on the hands of the west), e.g. Africa, Latin America, and so on.

Re:Paul Buchheit on Joining Google, How to Become a Great En... by anoncoward111 on Friday October 19, 2018 @08:05AM (#18256073)
Completely agree, and maybe we should strive for it. Lunch breaks, smoking breaks etc are already a thing. Employers let certain employees leave early to go take their kids to the doctor or etc.

But the reality is that most employers are far less friendly, to their own detriment of course... but only in the long term.

Re:Paul Buchheit on Joining Google, How to Become a Great En... by delusional on Friday October 19, 2018 @09:40AM (#18256610)
I've just started my first developer job, and my team has the freedom to come and go when they please. As long as we put in the 36 hours a week, it's all good.
Re:Paul Buchheit on Joining Google, How to Become a Great En... by lighthazard on Friday October 19, 2018 @10:07AM (#18256808)
Sounds amazing, not even 40 hours! Not everyone has that luck. I've been in shops that required 8 - 6 since your lunch hour doesn't count. I've also been in shops where I WFH and have 40 hours requirement but no oversight in how I use it. It all depends on where you work - but I'd argue the average is not as friendly as yours.
Re:Paul Buchheit on Joining Google, How to Become a Great En... by pjc50 on Friday October 19, 2018 @10:25AM (#18256915)
If your job is sufficiently badly managed, they simply might not notice you leaving.
Re:Paul Buchheit on Joining Google, How to Become a Great En... by coldtea on Friday October 19, 2018 @09:04AM (#18256408)
>Down here in real world land, I would be fired for voluntarily leaving my shift at any time.

Not in the "real world land". Just in the part of real world that you've managed to negotiate for yourself.

Others are more (and others less) lucky.

Re:Paul Buchheit on Joining Google, How to Become a Great En... by anoncoward111 on Friday October 19, 2018 @09:13AM (#18256460)
It's a euphemism for people who are being exploited or otherwise "have it hard in life."

Like, by definition, things which feel fake cannot be "real" in this sense of the word. Of course though, your reality and my reality are simultaneously happening at the same time.