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Re:Android Creator’s Startup Essential Products Cuts About 3... by diminish on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:41PM (#18243590)
I still believe there's room for another premium US smartphone besides Pixel, Apple. China has Xiaomi and Europe has totally lost the smartphone race. Open source software, hardware initiatives have also failed to attract attention (Ubuntu, Firefoxos, ..)

Essential or anyone needs some innovative new features or 'feel' to it.

Re:Android Creator’s Startup Essential Products Cuts About 3... by remir on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @08:50PM (#18245090)
I don't think there's much room for another player. Not at this stage. Even Google with the Pixel is a drop in the ocean in terms of hardware sales.

Truth is, Essential simply had no chance. The segment of users caring about build materials and craftsmanship is also the one who care about stuff like camera quality, software quality and features and when the PH-1 launched, its camera sucked, it had less features than other flagships and it was riddled with cellular reception issues. Price wasn't cheap either.

If it wasn't for Andy Rubin, there's no way this startup would have received the investment they did.

Re:Android Creator’s Startup Essential Products Cuts About 3... by Kalium on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:59PM (#18243767)
There's definitely room for a premium smartphone beyond Google and Apple! Samsung devices running Android seems to own that space pretty effectively.
Re:Android Creator’s Startup Essential Products Cuts About 3... by EpicEng on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @05:32PM (#18244014)
>room for a premium _US_ smartphone
Re:Android Creator’s Startup Essential Products Cuts About 3... by Kalium on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @05:56PM (#18244209)
Samsung has a strong US market position, running mostly US-made software on hardware fabricated and assembled elsewhere.

At this point Samsung's phones are about as American as Google's or Apple's.

Re:Android Creator’s Startup Essential Products Cuts About 3... by Latteland on Thursday October 18, 2018 @12:19PM (#18249595)
The OS on ph1 is ideal. I want zero crapware, and security updates, and for gods sake give me a headphone. That's going to be so rare it's going to be an actual competitive advantage. But at least no crapware is a big advantage.
Re:Android Creator’s Startup Essential Products Cuts About 3... by Kalium on Thursday October 18, 2018 @12:36PM (#18249770)
I understand where you're coming from. Headphones are common! Let me use them, you assholes! And for love of fsck, no shitty vendor replacement for apps that are actually decent.

With all that said, it might be worth considering that recent events at Essential suggest that this might not be the significant competitive edge that might be hoped for. It's abstractly possible that our tastes in phones might not be an accurate reflection of the wider market.

Re:Android Creator’s Startup Essential Products Cuts About 3... by EpicEng on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @06:45PM (#18244475)
Except for the fact that, you know, it's a Korean company... but sure.
Re:Android Creator’s Startup Essential Products Cuts About 3... by pjmlp on Thursday October 18, 2018 @01:46AM (#18246177)
How smartphones do Google and Apple actually produce in US?
Re:Android Creator’s Startup Essential Products Cuts About 3... by EpicEng on Friday October 19, 2018 @08:57AM (#18256374)
So, I think I was misunderstood here... I only piped up because the GP explicitly said "US" in relation to a failing US based company. Saying that Samsung fills that gap makes no sense, regardless of where the phones are manufactured.
Re:Android Creator’s Startup Essential Products Cuts About 3... by Kalium on Friday October 19, 2018 @11:09AM (#18257197)
In one sense, you're absolutely right. It's a Korean-owned company and therefore obviously in no way American.

In another sense, the ownership of Samsung is irrelevant. The actual phones have roughly the same level of US-origin content and US-local labor as those phones famously labeled "Designed by Apple in California".