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Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by dwaltrip on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:14PM (#18241877)
It's only "stiffing" if we start with the assumption they are supposed to be tipped.

I'm not well-versed in the history of coffee shops, but it seems to me that it is not a well-established norm -- as compared to bars and restaurants, for example. But I'm happy to be corrected if I'm mistaken about this.

Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by sharemywin on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:19PM (#18241950)
A lot of states are paid less if it's a job with tips:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage

Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by ApolloFortyNine on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:58PM (#18242481)
Also on that page:

>If wages and tips do not equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour during any week, the employer is required to increase cash wages to compensate

Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by scroot on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:22PM (#18242766)
Do you think in a real workplace people are going to constantly bring this up with their managers?
Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by threatofrain on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:33PM (#18242882)
I think what happens in a real restaurant that doesn't share tips is that if you don't make enough you'll just be let go.
Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by asdff on Thursday October 18, 2018 @12:13AM (#18245837)
I think the IRS would spot this from a mile a way.
Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by ip26 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:29PM (#18242093)
But is a barista etc one of those jobs?
Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by awalton on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:39PM (#18242222)
Yes. Any front-of-house restaurant staff that gets a share of tips are subject to those laws, and it's ridiculous. Worse, some restaurants even force the tips to be split between dishwashers, who actually are making minimum wage in many cases, so waitstaff get crushed even harder.
Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by gamblor956 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:57PM (#18242474)
It's illegal to force waiters to split tips with non-tipped workers unless the restaurant gives up the "tip credit" (referring to the portion of the minimum wage that they get to treat as paid out of tips) for the split tips.
Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by SubiculumCode on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:17PM (#18241925)
On the contrary, it was very much the norm, though starbucks killed it.
Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by laken on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:18PM (#18241935)
Coffee shops are a unique one, though traditionally you tip the barista in particular, not the cashier. It's been somewhat on its way out culturally over the past few decades in the US however.
Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:53PM (#18243089)
Baristas were non-existent 30 years ago.
Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:58PM (#18243142)
Espresso been around since 1903?
Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by simonsarris on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:57PM (#18243749)
Kevin is right, at least in terms of terminology: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=barista&year_s...
Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @05:31PM (#18244005)
Very cool tool!
Re:You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquet... by eigenvector on Thursday October 18, 2018 @05:06PM (#18252119)
The countries that have been consuming espresso for decades before it became common in the US don't treat making an espresso-based beverage as a skilled trade. I recall ordering a perfectly serviceable latte at a gas station in Israel.