Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by jerf on Monday October 15, 2018 @08:26AM
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That's ludicrous and unbelievable. Either the standard deviation is small, which implies that almost everybody does that, or the standard deviation is large, which implies there's a significant percentage of people spending more than 8 hours a day checking email. Either way I suspect this is more a demonstration of the unreliability of self-reporting than an accurate reflection of reality. Either that, or there's a significant deviation between what is being reported and what the wording of the question was on the survey. (I can imagine spending hours a day doing a task you received over email, but if your boss asks you for a report of something or other over email and you spend three hours assembling it, that could be "three hours related to email" but not "three hours checking email".)
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by phyller on Monday October 15, 2018 @09:02AM
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The stat is from slide 8 of https://www.slideshare.net/adobe/2018-adobe-consumer-email-s... and is clearly ridiculous. The only way the math works is if the 10% of people that are spending over 6 hours per day checking personal email, and over six hours per day checking work email, are averaging really high numbers. Which makes it likely they are filling in their weekly hours, not daily hours.
There is simply no way I would believe 21% of "white-collar workers with a smart phone" are checking either their work or their personal email for more than 6 hours each and every day, let alone the 10 hours a day that would be required to offset the about 50% of people who reported checking less than an hour each day.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by BeetleB on Monday October 15, 2018 @10:21AM
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The slide doesn't say 5.6 hours - only Cal Newport is jumping to it. The slide is saying 3.1 for work and 2.5 for home - but not necessarily by the same people - so adding them doesn't make sense.
>Which makes it likely they are filling in their weekly hours, not daily hours.
I disagree. If I look at any one column, it's not hard to make the numbers work out. For example, assume each category is hitting the upper bound (40% are doing 1 hour, 22% are doing 2, etc) - and put 9 hours for the last 10% - you'll get 3.1 hours. Now that is a bit implausible (I took upper bounds of every category).
But going with the other interpretation - only spending < 1 hour per week for the largest group - highly unlikely. In our workplace, a lot of work, sadly, is done through email - 2 hours/day just responding to emails is probably average.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by PhasmaFelis on Monday October 15, 2018 @09:16AM
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From the comments on the article:
> I took a look at the numbers. The categories are broad. If I check my emails 10 minutes per weekday it is counted as one hour for the purpose of calculating the mean. 62% of the participants report checking work emails in 2 hours or less. IMO there is still enough time to do deep work. Fore average calculation, the last category “more than 6 hours” is assigned “9 hours”. So I think these numbers are skewed.
> I don’t get why anyone would check their personal emails for more than two hours a day. The survey doesn’t say they did so during working time.
So, yeah, it seems like this was deliberately distorted to the point that there's no truth left in it.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by keithpeter on Monday October 15, 2018 @09:16AM
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Is it possible that people take 'doing email' as including facebook and other social media - messaging in any form?
Lets face it we tend to do those things through Web interfaces on desktop/laptops or in messaging style apps on phones that tend to look quite similar in layout.
And we need to be clear about the time frame as other posters have mentioned (per day or per week)
On the work based figures, I suspect that people include the time spent on a task generated by the email as 'doing email'. My colleagues certainly would, and a lot of the work related email we get is providing information directly into a rich format email.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by maxxxxx on Monday October 15, 2018 @09:48AM
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you are "checking email" than "staring at clouds"."
I lost my window seat a while ago and that's one thing I really miss. I used to look out the window and think. Now I often obsessively check Email or Hacker News.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by ryandrake on Monday October 15, 2018 @10:55AM
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(No longer a developer)
If I wanted to, I could easily fill my entire day with reading and responding to E-mail. Part of good E-mail hygiene is being able to quickly sort by importance and urgency, responding to the urgent stuff now, getting to the important stuff later, and shit-canning the rest.
I also send (initiate) a lot of E-mail, so it’s not just reading. Again, I could probably spend all day writing and sending E-mails but it’s not scalable and would leave me no time to do my other work. So I have to use discipline and pick and choose and only send the most urgent messages.
It’s easy to lose your whole day to E-mail if you’re not careful.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by codingdave on Monday October 15, 2018 @08:05AM
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Whether or not this is bad depends entirely on what you do for a living. For coders, sure, that average would be excessive. For admin support, tech support, or other roles where communication is a majority of their job? Maybe not.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by 7000skeletons on Monday October 15, 2018 @09:42AM
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Very true. I've done admin/community management roles in the past, and it's safe to say that vast majority of work in such areas involves checking/replying to emails.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by dsr_ on Monday October 15, 2018 @10:20AM
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In 1997 or thereabouts, it became clear to me that I would always have email waiting to be read.
Therefore:
1. I set up an independent account that only gets wake-me-up-in-the-middle-of-the-night alerts.
2. I started automatically filtering all email into different folders.
3. I stopped all email alert indicators except for the wake-me-up account.
Ever since then, I check email when I get to a natural break in other activities. This happens seven or eight times a day, usually, so I'm never particularly far behind.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by thrower123 on Monday October 15, 2018 @08:28AM
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If anything, that seems low. I'm a programmer, and I have days I'm completely chewed up doing email all day long. Other people, wrangling email is practically their entire job.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by Sharlin on Monday October 15, 2018 @08:32AM
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That's just ridiculous, to a programmer. I don't remember when I have last received something critical by email, never mind hours worth of it. They're all either automated notifications or company-level announcements; neither requires immediate action, or often any action at all.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by BeetleB on Monday October 15, 2018 @10:27AM
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Tech support? What's that?
Most software is written for internal company use. In my last job, the software we wrote was used by hundreds of users in my company. No way is the company going to hire tech support people for internal software.
We were very aggressive in ensuring we don't get support questions all the time. We made some of the customers our tech support. Every "domain" of our software had experts amongst our users. So if any user had a question about performing X with our libraries, they were to contact the customer who was an expert in doing X. If he couldn't help, then that expert would contact us. Direct questions to us from new users were just replied to with "Check with the experts first".
This helped a lot in cutting down requests. But most companies/orgs, in my experience, will not be supportive of that type of tech support. We had to be very aggressive in it, and we had the backing of our and the users' department heads.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by hyperpape on Monday October 15, 2018 @10:08AM
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At my company, there is an list where problems that can't be handled by tech support or customer facing people get raised. Cases where the documentation is unclear or absent, things that can't be obviously classified as bugs, etc. Making a habit of answering those is a great way to learn about the system you're working on.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by WilliamEdward on Monday October 15, 2018 @08:34AM
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How is it possible that even in the worst cases you spend more than 5 hours doing this? Every single day? Most emails require a quick, pre-determined response (which google actually makes easier for you now) and the ones that don't are surely not taking more than 5 minutes to type out.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by WilliamEdward on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:47AM
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It's not really that much easier, but their new AI let's you type certain common responses like "Thank you, I'll look at this" in an instant. They made a presentation about this.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by bhandziuk on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @03:09PM
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ah yes. I found those just add a lot of cognitive load to no benefit. By the time I've read "thanks!", "Yes", "How about tomorrow?" I could have just typed a response. Maybe it's just me but I basically never replay to an email with such terse responses as the options provided in Gmail.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by Sharlin on Monday October 15, 2018 @08:34AM
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Though it doesn't help at all if all the interruptions just move to slack, a realtime chat environment may just make messages feel even more urgent to react to than email...
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by vidarh on Monday October 15, 2018 @10:32AM
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Favourite pet peeve: People who mention me or DM me to get my attention, and then patiently waits for a response before asking the non-critical question they could just have typed out and left for me to deal with when I have time. That kind of behaviour seems to be considered acceptable on realtime environments, and it's 10 times more disruptive than sending an e-mail..
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by vijaybritto on Monday October 15, 2018 @09:06AM
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slack is not disrupting my attention a lot because I have subscribed only to direct messages and bugs assigned to me directly by QA. I make sure I reduce subscriptions as much as possible by muting most of the channels.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by SketchySeaBeast on Monday October 15, 2018 @09:45AM
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Unless you work a monstrous hybrid / support / leadership role that sees you both doing long term project work, mentoring, and immediate fixes. I remember my last day with an uninterrupted of 4 hours of flow was about a month ago. That was a super productive day. I still think about it sometimes.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by paulie_a on Monday October 15, 2018 @10:54AM
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I barely check my email more than once a week, I get so many it has become useless. If it is important someone will call or come over to my desk and ask if I got the email. Same goes for voicemail, I rarely listen to them. For three years I just deleted all of them from my boss. It never caused any issues.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by LinuxBender on Monday October 15, 2018 @10:27AM
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Proud future troglodyte here. It would appear I am not average.
I check work email twice a day at most unless someone says there is a meeting invite I need to accept. I don't accept meeting invites unless I know what the meeting is about and that I am really required to attend. Most of my emails are filtered and all external emails default to the spam folder.
I check personal email a few times per week at most unless I signed up for something that sends a confirmation email. I run my own mail servers and use strings+more to read email and the S25R regex methodology of blocking connections from generic devices.
I am sick of Slack and try to avoid looking at it and the dozen other places my coworkers chat or share docs.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by Hoasi on Monday October 15, 2018 @09:16AM
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It seems believable. It is sad but for many people, work still means spending a lot of time emailing. Some people don't do much beside emailing about meetings, calling about meetings, and actual meetings.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by eugeniub on Monday October 15, 2018 @09:58AM
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Personally I check email 5.6 hours per day, Slack 6 hours, Instagram 3 hours, HN 4 hours, Reddit 4.5 hours, Twitter 6 hours, and I still manage to work 14 hours per day.
Re:The Average User Checks Email 5.6 Hours Per Weekday
by NeedMoreTea on Monday October 15, 2018 @10:11AM
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Right. I had to get up in t'morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down t'mill, and pay t'mill owner for permission to come to work.
There is simply no way I would believe 21% of "white-collar workers with a smart phone" are checking either their work or their personal email for more than 6 hours each and every day, let alone the 10 hours a day that would be required to offset the about 50% of people who reported checking less than an hour each day.
>Which makes it likely they are filling in their weekly hours, not daily hours.
I disagree. If I look at any one column, it's not hard to make the numbers work out. For example, assume each category is hitting the upper bound (40% are doing 1 hour, 22% are doing 2, etc) - and put 9 hours for the last 10% - you'll get 3.1 hours. Now that is a bit implausible (I took upper bounds of every category).
But going with the other interpretation - only spending < 1 hour per week for the largest group - highly unlikely. In our workplace, a lot of work, sadly, is done through email - 2 hours/day just responding to emails is probably average.
> I took a look at the numbers. The categories are broad. If I check my emails 10 minutes per weekday it is counted as one hour for the purpose of calculating the mean. 62% of the participants report checking work emails in 2 hours or less. IMO there is still enough time to do deep work. Fore average calculation, the last category “more than 6 hours” is assigned “9 hours”. So I think these numbers are skewed.
> I don’t get why anyone would check their personal emails for more than two hours a day. The survey doesn’t say they did so during working time.
So, yeah, it seems like this was deliberately distorted to the point that there's no truth left in it.
Even if they won't admit it, I'm sure some people open their inbox and stare blankly as a subconscious way of taking a break.
Plus, some people do generally have answering email as their job.
Lets face it we tend to do those things through Web interfaces on desktop/laptops or in messaging style apps on phones that tend to look quite similar in layout.
And we need to be clear about the time frame as other posters have mentioned (per day or per week)
On the work based figures, I suspect that people include the time spent on a task generated by the email as 'doing email'. My colleagues certainly would, and a lot of the work related email we get is providing information directly into a rich format email.
This probably accounts for a large chunk of the reported hours, as well.
I lost my window seat a while ago and that's one thing I really miss. I used to look out the window and think. Now I often obsessively check Email or Hacker News.
If I wanted to, I could easily fill my entire day with reading and responding to E-mail. Part of good E-mail hygiene is being able to quickly sort by importance and urgency, responding to the urgent stuff now, getting to the important stuff later, and shit-canning the rest.
I also send (initiate) a lot of E-mail, so it’s not just reading. Again, I could probably spend all day writing and sending E-mails but it’s not scalable and would leave me no time to do my other work. So I have to use discipline and pick and choose and only send the most urgent messages.
It’s easy to lose your whole day to E-mail if you’re not careful.
Therefore:
1. I set up an independent account that only gets wake-me-up-in-the-middle-of-the-night alerts.
2. I started automatically filtering all email into different folders.
3. I stopped all email alert indicators except for the wake-me-up account.
Ever since then, I check email when I get to a natural break in other activities. This happens seven or eight times a day, usually, so I'm never particularly far behind.
Or does it include sites such as http://pcottle.github.io/MSOutlookit/ ?
Most software is written for internal company use. In my last job, the software we wrote was used by hundreds of users in my company. No way is the company going to hire tech support people for internal software.
We were very aggressive in ensuring we don't get support questions all the time. We made some of the customers our tech support. Every "domain" of our software had experts amongst our users. So if any user had a question about performing X with our libraries, they were to contact the customer who was an expert in doing X. If he couldn't help, then that expert would contact us. Direct questions to us from new users were just replied to with "Check with the experts first".
This helped a lot in cutting down requests. But most companies/orgs, in my experience, will not be supportive of that type of tech support. We had to be very aggressive in it, and we had the backing of our and the users' department heads.
That said, I don't spend hours on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogfYd705cRs
Picture it... Sicily, 1922.
I check work email twice a day at most unless someone says there is a meeting invite I need to accept. I don't accept meeting invites unless I know what the meeting is about and that I am really required to attend. Most of my emails are filtered and all external emails default to the spam folder.
I check personal email a few times per week at most unless I signed up for something that sends a confirmation email. I run my own mail servers and use strings+more to read email and the S25R regex methodology of blocking connections from generic devices.
I am sick of Slack and try to avoid looking at it and the dozen other places my coworkers chat or share docs.
(apologies to Python and the 4 Yorkshiremen) :)