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Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by andreasley on Sunday October 14, 2018 @04:23AM (#18211929)
From the article: "The F-22s left behind could not fly for either mechanical or safety reasons, said a spokeswoman, who also said all the hangars on base were damaged."
Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by fen4o on Sunday October 14, 2018 @05:06AM (#18212043)
Can't those airplanes be moved / evacuated by ground?
Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by code_duck on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:56PM (#18233185)
Sure, if they had made any preparations or advance plans to save our billions of dollars worth of equipment. Instead, they write articles about how we just don’t know how hard it is to not waste $4 billion.
Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by mulmen on Sunday October 14, 2018 @05:51AM (#18212162)
In a word, no. F-22s are huge. Time and trucks are limited.
Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by code_duck on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @04:57PM (#18233191)
Could they possibly have thought ahead a little more? Is this the first time a storm hit the area or something?
Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by TomMarius on Sunday October 14, 2018 @05:45AM (#18212150)
Not if you're busy evacuating actual functioning aircraft.
Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by dizziest on Sunday October 14, 2018 @04:24AM (#18211935)
So we didn't budget for maintenance?
Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by specializeded on Sunday October 14, 2018 @04:28AM (#18211944)
From the article: ““One of them was scheduled to leave but GABed [ground aborted] after an issue prior to taxi. The other three were jets that couldn't be spun up in time to fly.” Two had been cannibalized for parts, he said, and the others had “issues that couldn't be fixed. They were in hangars that [they] are usually put in according to hurricane plans.””
Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by dizziest on Sunday October 14, 2018 @04:40AM (#18211973)
So we budgeted for maintenance, but no one cared to fix the planes we paid for? ...costing us ~$1billion
Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by mulmen on Sunday October 14, 2018 @04:51AM (#18211999)
Your line of commenting here is unreasonable and does a disservice to any valid criticism of military spending.

Planes cannot be fixed instantly. I would hope that is obvious.

This was a powerful storm that did a huge amount of damage to more than just these planes. You could take a more generous and broad view of the events and ask if saving these planes would have been worth the opportunity cost to other resources that would have then been left in the storm's path.

Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by dizziest on Sunday October 14, 2018 @05:18AM (#18212072)
I appreciate your last two sentences because they made me pause, and realized I hadn't thought about this much living on the left coast.. (waiting for a decent earthquake).

I guess my point from the beginning is that these planes didn't need to exist in the first place, so the money spent could have been provisioned differently, like for programs to possibly help tax payers that just got given the finger.

edit: Your first sentence sounds like it's meant to dissuade criticism about military spending, because your opinion mandates it.

Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by mulmen on Sunday October 14, 2018 @05:50AM (#18212157)
My first sentence does nothing of the sort. As I clearly state this kind of rhetoric will undermine any valid criticism of military spending. I have said nothing that should suggest to you my personal beliefs on the state of military spending.
Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by andkenneth on Sunday October 14, 2018 @05:30AM (#18212105)
A certain percentage of these planes are always on the ground being repaired. They rotate in and out of flight readiness. What's important is that enough planes are ready for their missions at any one time, not that ALL the planes are ready.
Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by detaro on Sunday October 14, 2018 @04:54AM (#18212006)
It's common practice to use a small number of planes as spare part source to keep a larger group flying while you wait for spares to be delivered. Better 3 planes with lots of bits missing than 10 with one piece broken each.
Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by maxerickson on Sunday October 14, 2018 @04:55AM (#18212008)
These planes require many man hours of maintenance for each flight hour. So it isn't unusual for them to be in a state where maintenance isn't complete.
Re:Tyndall F-22s, Left Behind Before Michael Hit, Possibly D... by stephengillie on Sunday October 14, 2018 @04:58AM (#18212022)
> It's not unusual for them to be in a state where maintenance isn't completed...by anyone.

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