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Re:Firefox removes core product support for RSS/Atom feeds by Dylan16807 on Friday October 12, 2018 @01:30PM (#18203072)
So the issue you're referencing is when they put the code for an easter egg in a dumb spot, which made people rightfully confused and worried.

What does that have to do with independence and transparency?

Re:Firefox removes core product support for RSS/Atom feeds by albedoa on Friday October 12, 2018 @03:05PM (#18203860)
> What does that have to do with independence and transparency?

It was a marketing stunt performed in partnership with a television show and was installed without the user's knowledge or consent.

Re:Firefox removes core product support for RSS/Atom feeds by newacctjhro on Friday October 12, 2018 @04:27PM (#18204464)
It wasn't an easter egg, it was advertising. Preinstalled in my fucking web browser.
Re:Firefox removes core product support for RSS/Atom feeds by Dylan16807 on Friday October 12, 2018 @06:02PM (#18205059)
It was code that did absolutely nothing unless you set a secret flag. It was not advertising. It was an easter egg.
Re:Firefox removes core product support for RSS/Atom feeds by reitanqild on Friday October 12, 2018 @06:47PM (#18205263)
Background: I've been a Firefox fan for maybe 10 years and I still consider myself to be one

> It was code that did absolutely nothing unless you set a secret flag.

It destroyed a lot of trust. Seriously. I too was really confused when I suddenly saw an extension I never installed. (This could happen before when desktop installers could add extensions but I don't think they can anymore so I was properly confused until K searched for it on the Internet.)

> It was not advertising. It was an easter egg.

Those two are not mutually exclusive :-]

Re:Firefox removes core product support for RSS/Atom feeds by Dylan16807 on Friday October 12, 2018 @06:50PM (#18205274)
> It destroyed a lot of trust.

The thing is, Mozilla has always had the ability to put arbitrary things into firefox, and it's always had easter eggs in it. The way they did it was a big mistake but from my point of view only because it was scary-looking (and showed their extension pipeline had issues, I guess), not because of what it actually did.

> Those two are not mutually exclusive :-]

How about this: It wasn't there to advertise to anyone that didn't already know about it.

Re:Firefox removes core product support for RSS/Atom feeds by reitanqild on Friday October 12, 2018 @07:00PM (#18205317)
I'd go a bit further about why it was a big mistake - basically I always knew they could put anything they wanted into Firefox but thought they'd never do such a childish thing in such a scary way.

- but it seems we mostly agree on this.

Re:Firefox removes core product support for RSS/Atom feeds by emn13 on Saturday October 13, 2018 @09:03AM (#18207740)
Would the you of many years ago that first started using firefox similarly have objected to an easter egg?

I still don't have any problems with easter eggs. Give me back my whimsy.

Re:Firefox removes core product support for RSS/Atom feeds by reitanqild on Saturday October 13, 2018 @12:44PM (#18208812)
You might have caught me in hypocrisy, my jury is still out.

I mean: I too like whimsy, and adding an about:<something noncommercial> would probably be ok with me. (In fact I think there was an easter egg on some about:-protocol-page st some point.)

It was just the sudden surprise of seing an extension I didn't expect and then what at least felt like a hidden commercial motive on top of that.

Re:Firefox removes core product support for RSS/Atom feeds by emn13 on Tuesday October 23, 2018 @05:25PM (#18287635)
Yeah, they sure bungled that one up well.

Maybe it's the jarring worlds of security! paranoia! Absolute Control! vs. the FF wants to fun! unpredictable! Think different (no wait, that slogan's tainted now...)!

Given the way they present the extensions... it - in retrospect - should have been clear to them it would trigger more initial reactions from the first set of perspectives, and not just the second.

Re:Firefox removes core product support for RSS/Atom feeds by ldarby on Sunday October 14, 2018 @08:49AM (#18212644)
Easter eggs are generally hidden and take users doing something special to find out about it.

You calling this an easter egg had me confused as to what the hell this thread was about, searching for "firefox easter egg" shows nothing about it.

Re:Firefox removes core product support for RSS/Atom feeds by Dylan16807 on Sunday October 14, 2018 @03:07PM (#18214528)
So this is the looking glass thing.

You could see the existence of the extension because of poor decisions.

But it didn't turn on unless you went into about:config and manually flipped "extensions.pug.lookingglass" to true.

Definitely intended as an easter egg. Even of the people getting upset about the visible extension, 99+% of them never saw the enabled effect.

Re:Firefox removes core product support for RSS/Atom feeds by ldarby on Sunday October 14, 2018 @05:35PM (#18215518)
You're forgetting what "easter eggs" are IRL - chocolate eggs hidden in a back yard that people have to look for.

The analogy applies to computing in 2 ways: they're hidden, and it's something desirable. Niether of those ways apply to what Mozilla did. Therefore it wasn't an easter egg and you trying to pretend otherwise is just confusing.

Re:Firefox removes core product support for RSS/Atom feeds by Dylan16807 on Sunday October 14, 2018 @05:51PM (#18215644)
The intent was for it to be hidden! That's why it didn't activate! And for the person that would activate it, it was desirable.

They made a mistake in deployment that turned it into a scary mysterious blob. That's bad, but doesn't change the underlying nature of the code.

We can agree that the exact same code in C, not showing up in any lists or menus, not triggering without a magic about:config phrase, would be a clear easter egg, right?

(Also easter eggs don't inherently have to be fun, sometimes they're just someone's initials.)