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Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by Latteland on Thursday October 11, 2018 @10:17PM (#18198618)
Even better, tax really rich people who don't need tax cuts. Poor people will spend any more money they got, and we have a consumer driven economy. We should help poor people, not overpaid software engineers like me.
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by freewilly1040 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @10:20PM (#18198635)
You’ll need a different congress for that
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by tjr225 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @11:09PM (#18198881)
Maybe, just maybe, we will get one.
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by refurb on Friday October 12, 2018 @12:26AM (#18199208)
The top 10% (many people in HN are in this group, it’s $130k+) already pay 70-80% of all income taxes.

How much higher do you think that number should be?

Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by ceejayoz on Friday October 12, 2018 @09:33AM (#18201277)
"The top 10% pay 70% of income taxes" sounds scary until you remember they also control 75% of the wealth in the country.
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by anon49124 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @10:40PM (#18198725)
91% for millionaires, like the good ol' days.
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by refurb on Friday October 12, 2018 @10:34AM (#18201685)
The percentage of all taxes paid by the top 10% hasn’t really changed over the past century.

Despite have marginal rates >70%, very few people ever paid them.

Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by ceejayoz on Friday October 12, 2018 @11:08AM (#18201913)
True for the top 10%. Put in the top 1% (~$500k), though, on the effective tax rate chart at https://qz.com/74271/income-tax-rates-since-1913/ and you'll see it has dropped significantly for that population (by about half) since about 1980.
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by briandear on Thursday October 11, 2018 @11:24PM (#18198943)
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by ceejayoz on Friday October 12, 2018 @10:17AM (#18201554)
If we're throwing clearly partisan sources around:

Sort-of. http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2017/08/07/the_history_o...

For a less partisan source, with a neat "pick your income" chart that illustrates the flaws in the Mises argument for sky-high incomes (try anything over ~$500k/year), https://qz.com/74271/income-tax-rates-since-1913/

Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by briandear on Thursday October 11, 2018 @11:22PM (#18198936)
Speak for yourself. I am not overpaid. I get paid exactly what the market for my skills is willing to pay.

$15 per hour for a teenager to sweep floors — now that’s being overpaid.

If you think you are undertaxed, there is a solution: https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/gift/gift.htm

In 2018, just over $700,000 has been donated. So clearly all of us “overpaid” people don’t really care.

I pay taxes for public transit I don’t use, public schools my kids don’t attend, healthcare I don’t consume, wars I didn’t ask for, bridges in places I’ll never go. I subsidize food for people I’ll never meet, housing, universal service fees; I pay sales taxes on everything, excise taxes created to pay for a war almost 100 years before I was born, subsidies to farmers, oil, green energy — we pay for all of this stuff. I am on with paying taxes, but dammit, I pay enough already. Over half of everything I earn goes to pay for government. I even had to pay US taxes when I didn’t even live in the US.

I understand taxes are necessary; but it’s not fair that I work 1 day for the government for every 1 day I work for myself. It doesn’t matter how much I get paid, what matters is that half of everything I do goes to taxes.

I worked very hard to get to where I am — that ought not result in being punished for it.

I consume just as much “government” as the guy standing next to me; why should I have to pay more than him?

Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by Latteland on Friday October 12, 2018 @11:40PM (#18206295)
I am paid what the market allows also. I pay tons and tons of taxes too! But it's not better for society if people like me get together and take over the government via regulatory capture and get lower taxes just for us (like paying all the senators to do things we like via campaign contributions and. hiring them when they retire). How much taxes do you think you should pay? Less than everyone else? What if your kids or your nephews say, aren't quite as fortunate as you are, they are sweeping the floor somewhere, and they get sick or in a car accident? Should they just die, or depend on the kindness of strangers or a rich aunt? I think we should take care of the poor, the kids who weren't lucky enough to be born to someone who was rich or a programmer (I was lucky and born to two college graduates, and one was even a programmer :-)).
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by jahewson on Thursday October 11, 2018 @10:25PM (#18198659)
That’s actually happening. The increase in interest paid on Treasury bills is being used by the Fed to help pay down the $4 trillion in quantitive easing debt they hold.
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by credit_guy on Thursday October 11, 2018 @10:37PM (#18198707)
Huh? Who is paying that interest? To whom?
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by jahewson on Thursday October 11, 2018 @11:04PM (#18198848)
Anyone who buys Treasury bills is paying that interest to the Fed. So banks, pension funds, social security, etc.

The Fed’s debt is made up of (other) Treasury bills which it purchased during QE using “printed” money.

If this makes your head spin, then you’ve probably understood it correctly.

Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by taysic on Friday October 12, 2018 @12:45AM (#18199273)
So are you saying that if the Fed prints $x money, it gets back $x money + interest. It is using the interest to pay back the $x money... and then in theory it erases it from its balance sheet. What does it do with the excess money it collects?
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by ceejayoz on Friday October 12, 2018 @09:35AM (#18201290)
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by credit_guy on Saturday October 13, 2018 @12:41AM (#18206462)
Wait, if you buy a Treasury bill, you pay interest, rather than receive? Doesn”t sound right.
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by justsayinstuff on Thursday October 11, 2018 @10:45PM (#18198746)
Maybe I misunderstand something here, but the debt is of the US govt to the Fed. Rising interest that the Fed collects is the Fed's not the US govt's... That's like asking Citibank to allocate the interest it collected on me to my credit card balance...
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by jahewson on Thursday October 11, 2018 @11:14PM (#18198907)
No, the debt I’m talking about is the Fed’s own. They leant fictitious money to themselves (quantitive easing). It’s included in the public debt, but it’s not a literal debt of the U.S. government, which a is separate, massive debt.
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by PacifyFish on Thursday October 11, 2018 @10:18PM (#18198624)
Why does money need to be allocated for rising interest?
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by cft on Thursday October 11, 2018 @10:34PM (#18198699)
Because the increasing interest on government issued paper needs to be paid by the government
Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by ceejayoz on Thursday October 11, 2018 @10:19PM (#18198629)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/business/fed-profits-trea...

> The interest that the Fed collects on its investments is paid by the federal government, and then returned to the government. But this wash cycle still saves money because those interest payments would otherwise be made to the outside investors who would have purchased the bonds.

> “It’s interest that the Treasury didn’t have to pay to the Chinese,” Ben S. Bernanke, then the Fed’s chairman, told Congress back in 2011, when the annual windfalls were still new and surprising.

Re:Fed likely to keep raising rates by heylook on Thursday October 11, 2018 @10:17PM (#18198622)
What?