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Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by loceng on Thursday October 11, 2018 @05:50PM (#18197292)
Likewise, YC's move into China was brought up by people on HN concerned about the censorship practices of the Chinese government.
Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by VonGuard on Thursday October 11, 2018 @05:59PM (#18197360)
Censorship is one thing, but luring a person to be whacked like the mafia is entirely another. As a-moral as the US' foreign policy can be, we don't do outright assassinations anymore (Bin-Laden notwithstanding). What Saudi Arabia did here is just abhorrent, and akin to something out of the Sopranos or Goodfellas.
Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by andrepd on Thursday October 11, 2018 @06:08PM (#18197417)
>we don't do outright assassinations anymore

Are you familiar with drones?

>What Saudi Arabia did here is just abhorrent, and akin to something out of the Sopranos or Goodfellas.

Funny that you mention this. Surely this violent act is shocking and catches the eye. But, the thing is that it can be argued that things like their financing of terrorism, or to be more direct their ongoing bombing of Yemen and funding of civil war is much more harmful than this one assassination -- much like Tony Soprano's asbestos dumping and HUD scams probably ended up causing more harm than the handful of people he "whacked"...

Less overtly brutal, not necessarily less harmful.

Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by gruez on Thursday October 11, 2018 @06:57PM (#18197694)
>Are you familiar with drones?

when was the last time an opposition journalist was targeted for a drone strike by the us?

Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by dragontamer on Thursday October 11, 2018 @07:10PM (#18197768)
I'm going to just bring up Anwar Al Awlaki. A prominent contributor to Al Qaeda's "Inspire" magazine, and a preacher of that radical sect.

I personally do believe the official US story that he was actively recruiting and actively participating in Al Qaeda. but a lot of people have debated with me otherwise.

Clearly, he was "in" the Al Qaeda culture, but publicly at least... some believed him to only be a preacher.

War is messy, to say the least. I'm not sure if the truth will ever come out. Nevertheless, I'm personally in the belief that Anwar Al Awlaki was too personally connected to a number of attackers, so he almost certainly was an operative.

Nevertheless, I bring up this example to demonstrate that the line between "operative", "journalist", and "preacher" can very well be blurred during wartime. Regardless, the US certainly ordered an assassination through our Drone technology.

Much of the evidence to his Al Qaeda "operative" connections is classified unfortunately. So the US Documents at least, won't be released for many years to come. In any case, even with only the public information, its clear that there's a "Lot of Smoke" as they say, and where there is smoke, there's probably a fire. But nothing really proves him to be an operative publicly (just a lot of corroborating evidence and close personal-connections to attackers).

Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by seppin on Thursday October 11, 2018 @08:44PM (#18198239)
There's a lot to be discussed about Al Awlaki, including his teenage son also killed in the strike, but he was a general in a war, on a battlefield.

Drones target fighters, and they sometimes kill civilians. They don't target civilians. If you don't think there is a difference there fine, but many lose sight of it.

Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by dragontamer on Thursday October 11, 2018 @08:45PM (#18198246)
> he was a general in a war, on a battlefield.

While I personally agree with you, I know people who will vehemently disagree with you on this factoid.

I wouldn't necessarily call him a "general", but perhaps an "operative". He had way too many connections with prominent attackers, so surely he was related to them. But once again, US-evidence of his operations remain classified and thus force me to only speculate on the matter.

At bare minimum, Anwar Al Awlaki was a publisher and prominent writer to the Al Qaeda magazines. So yes, he was an "enemy journalist" in some regards. The US alleges he did more than just write however, and that's why President Obama ordered the drone strike.

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My ultimate point is that the line between "journalism" and "operative" is incredibly blurry, even to US Officials.

Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by rozenmd on Thursday October 11, 2018 @07:11PM (#18197783)
This year, according to this article by the Washington Post...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/judge-all...

Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by andrepd on Thursday October 11, 2018 @07:03PM (#18197729)
Right, they just bomb foreigners, not nationals.
Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by DoubleCribble on Thursday October 11, 2018 @06:18PM (#18197471)
Sure we do. We just do it away from the American Embassy & with more collateral damage. Those Predator and Reaper drones in Afghanistan (Syria?, Iraq?) aren't just for surveillance. We track target cellphones and then drop a Hellfire on their car often enough that it doesn't even make the news.
Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by blattimwind on Thursday October 11, 2018 @06:12PM (#18197442)
> we don't do outright assassinations anymore

Well, your country (probably) doesn't chop up people in your embassies, but your country most certainly does assassinations and abductions in foreign countries world wide. It's proven fact.

Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by loceng on Thursday October 11, 2018 @06:07PM (#18197411)
Censorship would potentially block one from knowing a person was lured and whacked. Not sure how you can say assassinations don't happen anymore with any certainty. Russia does it via open poisoning. There are other ways to kill people subtly though without raising much or as much attention - or even making it look accidental. The countries where it's blatant are just because they have nothing to lose because they're safe in the areas they're in, however if targeting people outside that area - unless they're trying to make a point - they can be discreet, it's an illusion of safety otherwise.
Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by jonny_eh on Thursday October 11, 2018 @06:07PM (#18197406)
How about concentration camps for Muslims in China? Not enough attention being brought to that.
Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by mkaziz on Thursday October 11, 2018 @06:46PM (#18197634)
I'm surprised this isn't being talked about more, given hostility to China from the current US administration.
Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by staticautomatic on Thursday October 11, 2018 @07:10PM (#18197772)
My best guess is that the administration doesn't care because the people being "disappeared" are Muslim.
Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by bilbo0s on Thursday October 11, 2018 @06:21PM (#18197485)
Ok look, Yes. There are camps in China.

Yes, there are genocidal Rwandan warlords stealing resources in the Congo.

Yes, Aung San Suu Kyi and her boys are doing a pretty brutal number on the Rohingya right now.

Yes, there are murderous cartels operating in Mexico.

Yes, the United States is holding children in camps in deserts.

Etc etc etc.

What I'm trying to say is, YES, there is a lot of misery in the world. But right now we're talking about the fact that you've taken a chainsaw to a reporter for saying that he thinks you might be too brutal. Can we stop with the what aboutism for a moment and just kind of let that sink in for a second?

Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by staticautomatic on Thursday October 11, 2018 @06:30PM (#18197534)
"Misery" is not the word you're looking for.
Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by ALittleLight on Thursday October 11, 2018 @07:10PM (#18197777)
>As a-moral as the US' foreign policy can be, we don't do outright assassinations anymore

That's incredibly untrue. The drone assassination program was making ~2 strikes a week under Obama in Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan, and other places. After Trump took over that pace has accelerated and safety controls have been removed.

What would you call these if not assassinations? I mean, nothing as barbaric as sawing a guy's body - but we're blowing up someone who we hope is our target and everyone near by. I'm not sure that's better.

One difference is that the US isn't killing Western Journalists. The US does kill people, and coincidentally their children, for saying things they don't like though. Anwar al-Awlaki was an Islamic preacher, and US citizen, who preached in favor of jihad against the US. He was killed by drone strikes. Later, his teenage son, also an American citizen, was killed when the US "accidentally" blew up a restaurant where he was eating with friends. Still later, in another bit of bad luck, his eight year old daughter was killed by US forces in a commando raid.

The US absolutely commits assassinations.

Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by apexalpha on Friday October 12, 2018 @04:31AM (#18200073)
>As a-moral as the US' foreign policy can be, we don't do outright assassinations anymore

Your government kills people with drones, often with many innocent people as casualties along with it, without any form of process and even US citizens.

Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by anon49124 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @05:57PM (#18197347)
To be fair, China disappears dissidents too.
Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by acjohnson55 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @06:16PM (#18197462)
And movie stars and international police chiefs, apparently.
Re:Is Saudi money becoming radioactive? by anon49124 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @10:32PM (#18198689)
Hollywood, YC, Google and anyone else whom collaborates with and enables the Chinese regime has such a level of moral turpitude that they're either fools or sociopaths.