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Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by stickfigure on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @05:48PM (#18189203)
your typical consumer will receive very little or no direct benefit from this change

Eh? I've shopped at Uniqlo in SF. Compared to buying clothes at hipster boutiques, it was shockingly affordable. I'd say whatever they are doing is unquestionably offering a direct benefit to the consumer.

Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by nerdponx on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @07:49PM (#18189950)
You already receive that benefit. Will prices go down as a result of this automation? Will the freed resources be cleanly rerouted to other activities? Hell no, if there wasn't an article you'd never have noticed.
Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by stickfigure on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @09:08PM (#18190319)
Will prices go down as a result of this automation?

They almost certainly will; that's just ECON101. I'm sure H&M and Zara aren't just sitting around admiring themselves in the mirror.

Clothing is a weird market but there is definitely an elastic low-end and Uniqlo is playing in that space. There's no reason to believe the rules of basic economics are not functioning.

Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by zaccus on Thursday October 11, 2018 @01:46PM (#18195536)
Prices are set to maximize revenue. Most companies aren't going to lower prices just because they can afford to; cost savings should (and usually do) go to shareholders.
Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by Kalium on Thursday October 11, 2018 @02:23PM (#18195855)
You're right! Costs savings, in isolation, will invariably go to highly privileged shareholders.

With that said, what do you think happens when a second company in the same sector starts to realize the same cost savings, and realizes they can move more units by using the cost savings to lower prices and ultimately return even more to shareholders?

Again, you're completely right. Companies don't lower prices out of the goodness of their cold, black, capitalist hearts. Yet, might there be other factors at work here?

Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by sanxiyn on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @11:52PM (#18190880)
> Will prices go down ... you'd never have noticed.

Note that these two are entirely compatible. Prices routinely go down and customers receive benefit but they do not notice.

For example, I wrote about research on effect of barcode scanner here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11414435

Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by nerdponx on Thursday October 11, 2018 @09:02AM (#18193130)
Interesting, thank you.
Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by EpicEng on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @09:13PM (#18190335)
>Will prices go down as a result of this automation?

Can you name a single instance where prices did _not_ go down due to automation? You're saying process won't go down tomorrow, but of course that's not how any of this works.

Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by lovich on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @11:56PM (#18190888)
Prices don't go down unless there is competition. If a company figures our a way to make massive cost savings while their competition does not, they pocket that margin and use it to either invest in more productive capacity or give back to shareholders. They don't feel some ethical need to lower prices just because they can

Automation is correlated with cost savings for consumers because usually the competition can figure out the same thing after seeing another player do it. It's a mistake to think they are causally related

Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by PeterisP on Thursday October 11, 2018 @08:41AM (#18192979)
Well, sure, "if a company figures our a way to make massive cost savings while their competition does not" - but Uniqlo isn't that unique; nothing that they have done here is something that's fundamentally impossible for their competition to implement as well, it's just a question of appropriate investment. Yes, there's no reason for them to lower the prices right now, but that will result in mid-term (3-5 years) price decreases in the industry.
Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by ALittleLight on Thursday October 11, 2018 @12:40AM (#18191008)
>Prices don't go down unless there is competition

Prices also go down if it will lead to more profit. If you can sell 2.1 times as many widgets selling at half the profit then of course you will.

Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by EpicEng on Thursday October 11, 2018 @09:04AM (#18193150)
>If a company figures our a way to make massive cost savings while their competition does not, they pocket that margin and use it to either invest in more productive capacity or give back to shareholders.

Well sure, but in what world is that going to happen in here? They didn't invent time travel; they automated a factory. This can be replicated. They may also lower prices simply to undercut competitors if they think the increase in volume will work out to more profits overall.

Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by cpsempek on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @11:57PM (#18190889)
Pocketing extra margin dollars is not necessarily profit maximizing. As other have pointed out, depending on where their customers (and currently priced out customers) are on the demand curve, reducing prices could increase profits. I expect Uniqlo to seek to maximize profits.
Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by Vinnl on Thursday October 11, 2018 @04:02AM (#18191691)
But that's only the case for consumers with income. People who can only do jobs that machines can do better will have no income, so once a lot of people are in that situation, we will need to find a way to provide those people with at least the income required to be able to buy even the cheapest clothes.
Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by DrNuke on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @05:53PM (#18189248)
Which is very silly, in the end: I am thrilled while thinking how many iPhones Apple will sell worldwide once we have 6.9 billion people unemployed.
Re:Uniqlo cut 90% of staff at one warehouse by replacing the... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @05:59PM (#18189293)
What is silly is not taxing the economic efficiency reaped by capital owners and re-distributing it members of society so that they don't need to be employed.