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Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by ausjke on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @01:09PM (#18186860)
Exactly to the point, Microsoft did it because it has absolutely no other choice, it was forced to embrace OSS these days. After so many years there is no way I can trust Microsoft in any way. And yes I use Linux as my Desktop since 10+ years ago, and did my best to have nothing to do with Microsoft's ecosystem(.Net, C#, Azure, whatever).

The only exception is vscode, in which case I also have geany, vim and pycharm etc in parallel for daily coding, just in case.

Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by stevenjohns on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @05:46PM (#18189193)
> it was forced to embrace OSS these days

And they're still not really doing it.

Skype for Business on Linux? Not happening. Good luck trying to install Linux on Surface Books/Laptops and the like without lots of screwing around as well -- and it probably still won't properly work.

Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by jmspring on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @09:33PM (#18190420)
When it comes to collaboration tools used in business, especially the enterprise space, that is open source and used widely?

I personally think Skype* is amongst the worst tools in the particular space. (Which is my personal opinion). I find that for messaging, Telegram and Slack work incredibly well. For conferencing, Zoom has a much better experience.

Teams is a confused product where messaging similar to slack is a goal, but it is confused with poor search and a UX based more around posts than conversations.

Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by Jedd on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @09:56PM (#18190522)
> When it comes to collaboration tools used in business, especially the enterprise space, that is open source and used widely?

I'm having trouble parsing that, but am worried you may be suggesting parent's point - that Microsoft isn't releasing tools to run on GNU/Linux operating systems - is because not many enterprises run those OS's on the desktop?

Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by jmspring on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @11:23PM (#18190789)
Typo in there, the question is - name one widely used collaboration tool that is open sourced specifically in enterprise customers? I’d follow that up with, of the major enterprise collaboration tools, which have support for Linux natively? Teams and others work within Browesers.
Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by Jedd on Thursday October 11, 2018 @03:20AM (#18191518)
Okay, so parent's point was that Microsoft isn't releasing binaries / non free versions of their products for GNU/Linux platforms.

Not that there's fewer free software options.

Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by tracker1 on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @07:44PM (#18189924)
How does MS Teams work on Linux... I'm using osx and windows with UIs and Linux mostly without a UI, so not sure.

Also, the web version of Skype is relatively good now... not really excusing what MS has done, however may be better options.

Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by jhasse on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @09:24PM (#18190382)
Skype for Business is different than the normal Skype.
Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by tracker1 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @06:28PM (#18197518)
I'm well aware of that... I also know that the MS Teams client uses the same connection channels (you can answer calls on either skype for business or in teams, for example)... I was suggesting that MS Teams (electron app) might be a useful alternative.
Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by thrower123 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @06:33PM (#18197553)
Teams is still not up to snuff with the capabilities of Skype for Business. As of today I cannot handle incoming instant messages originating from another Office 365 Skype user in Teams, and presence information has only been syncing between the two since the Ignite event last month. It feels like the implementation must be similar to what was done with the newer Mac Skype for Business client, because there are many of the same limitations and bugs.

The story has been for about 18 months that Teams is going to eat all the things, but the execution is slow coming.

Re:Microsoft Joins the Open Invention Network by askl56 on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @06:30PM (#18189517)
To be fair that is not unique to surface books depending on which distro you are referring to