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Re:SEC tightens the noose on ICO-funded startups by gfodor on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @12:17PM (#18186288)
The "utility token" meme was hilarious in the community basically talking itself into the idea that the SEC was going to write a bunch of new laws and/or interpret the existing ones in the most favorable light to those raising ICOs. Playing with fire.
Re:SEC tightens the noose on ICO-funded startups by CryptoPunk on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @04:05PM (#18188376)
The SEC doesn't create law. Courts do. It can claim anything it wants, but until its argument is tested by a court, it's not law.

There continue to be strong legal arguments for utility tokens not being securities:

https://www.coinbase.com/legal/securities-law-framework.pdf

This attitude of deferring to regulatory agencies, which have their own set of institutional biases, on the question of the applicability of securities laws to smart-contract executed issuances of digital tokens that confer zero legal title to a common enterprise, is dangerous to liberty and innovation.

Re:SEC tightens the noose on ICO-funded startups by gamblor956 on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @05:19PM (#18189004)
Courts don't create the law, they interpret it (...except in India, where the Supreme Court actually does make laws). The Legislature writes the law.

A security doesn't require a common enterprise, it simply requires that one thing represents an interest in something else. The underlying asset is usually financial or intangible in nature, but that isn't required. There are more specific rules and exceptions, but those vary by jurisdiction.

Re:SEC tightens the noose on ICO-funded startups by CaptainZapp on Thursday October 11, 2018 @01:09AM (#18191081)
A security doesn't require a common enterprise, it simply requires that one thing represents an interest in something else.

True, it even works with past and future music royalties.

David Bowie (together with his financial manager and an investment banker) was probably the first to come up with securisation of non-tangible assets.[1]

It's a fascinating story.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-35280945

Re:SEC tightens the noose on ICO-funded startups by CryptoPunk on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @06:31PM (#18189520)
Courts create common law, which determines how statutory laws are interpreted.

>>A security doesn't require a common enterprise, it simply requires that one thing represents an interest in something else.

Investment into a common enterprise is the second prong of the Howey Test.

Re:SEC tightens the noose on ICO-funded startups by gamblor956 on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @07:55PM (#18189970)
True, but the Howey test is not the the sole test of determining what a security is. Context matters.
Re:SEC tightens the noose on ICO-funded startups by Svexar on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @11:45PM (#18190861)
Courts don't create laws. They just come up with new rules that you can't break without going to prison. No laws, though.
Re:SEC tightens the noose on ICO-funded startups by abugheratwork on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @04:26PM (#18188530)
"This attitude of deferring to regulatory agencies ... is dangerous to liberty and innovation."

I'm just checking that that's really what you meant to say.

Re:SEC tightens the noose on ICO-funded startups by CryptoPunk on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @06:32PM (#18189525)
The ellipses replace pretty important context.
Re:SEC tightens the noose on ICO-funded startups by jimmaswell on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @06:34PM (#18189543)
Sounds good to me.
Re:SEC tightens the noose on ICO-funded startups by wmf on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @05:00PM (#18188842)
Utility tokens aren't securities, but the problem is that there are no utility tokens. Everything calling itself a utility token isn't, because they're all marketed as investments (maybe with the exception of SiaCoin).
Re:SEC tightens the noose on ICO-funded startups by EGreg on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @11:08PM (#18190742)
MaidSAFE is making a utility token
Re:SEC tightens the noose on ICO-funded startups by monochromatic on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @04:25PM (#18188524)
Chevron deference.