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Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by xupybd on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @01:25AM (#18182205)
If we can get renewables cheaper than fossil fuels and get reasonable energy storage politics won’t be a problem.
Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by philipkglass on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @01:51AM (#18182330)
I thought that all we had to do was develop non-combustion energy sources cheaper than fossil fuels, and everything else would fall into place. I think that's still mostly correct. But I underestimated how long people who are economically dependent on fossil fuel industries, and their political allies, could delay the transition. I think that those sorts of delay-and-obstruct tactics are going to ensure we far overshoot CO2 targets before (hopefully) beginning to correct them. That's even while the technologies of low-carbon energy continue to advance at a rapid clip.
Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by Sharlin on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @08:07AM (#18184033)
Moving energy production to renewables is the easiest part. Much more difficult is the part where we need to do something about the few billion (and rising!) gas-guzzling personal automobiles. Electric cars are simply not going to be the solution in the timeframe that matters. In the EU traffic is the only major CO2 source that continues increasing. The third big problem is agriculture, specifically meat production. Two to three billion new people who have traditionally been mostly vegetarians are now hungry for meat, and the planet simply cannot afford such a thing.
Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by pjc50 on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @03:41AM (#18182813)
This absolutely can be a problem, because infrastructure needs political approval. Worst case is a ban on renewable generation to protect fossil fuel profits, for example.
Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by spuz on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @04:04AM (#18182923)
As soon as renewables become more profitable than fossil fuels any (personal) economic incentive politicians have to subsidise the fossil fuel industry will switch to the renewable industry. Even the most corrupt politicians you could imagine are not so hell bent on destroying the planet that they would refuse bribes from their friends in the solar industry.

The real political incentive behind fossil fuel subsidy comes down to technology and economics. The reality is that every nation is dependent on oil and gas and without them their economies would be destroyed. The real reason politicians fear a real push towards cleaner energy is that it will increase energy prices enough to trigger nationwide riots and protests.

Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by xupybd on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @03:50AM (#18182862)
You are correct but if we can get to the point that economics drive green energy the political opponents will have trouble stopping it.

There is a tipping point in there that we could be prevented from hitting, but I really don't think that will happen.

Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by EeThahs2 on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @08:08AM (#18184038)
Agriculture, deforestation are major emitters not directly linked to fossil fuels.

Cement industry, heating are large consumers of fossil fuel that are seeing very little advances compared to electrification of the transportation sector.

So just because renewable electricity starts to dominate does not mean our carbon footprint goes to zero.