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Re:DOD Just Beginning to Grapple with Scale of Weapon System... by maxxxxx on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @04:16PM (#18179457)
It's not about taking over. Disabling them is sufficient.
Re:DOD Just Beginning to Grapple with Scale of Weapon System... by Jtsummers on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @04:56PM (#18179750)
Precisely.

> expose, alter, disable, destroy, steal or gain unauthorized access to or make unauthorized use of an asset

This is the objective of the adversary in a conflict with respect to information and systems security. It doesn't matter if they can control a system, if they can make it less reliable it's still a win (but not as good). If they can get it to feed out false or misleading information to their opponent, it's a win (hacked a radar, can you show an extra blip on the screen or cause them to sometimes shift position and reduce the confidence of the operator?).

Re:DOD Just Beginning to Grapple with Scale of Weapon System... by solotronics on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @06:06PM (#18180231)
I have been thinking the recent Navy navigation related crashes are related to enemies tampering with systems. They are testing live how weak a windows based fighting ship is.

https://www.wired.com/1998/07/sunk-by-windows-nt/

Re:DOD Just Beginning to Grapple with Scale of Weapon System... by sobani on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @05:43AM (#18183339)
From what I understood the recent Navy collisions are caused by under-staffing => sailors having to work too long days => sailors literally falling asleep at their posts / seeing things that aren't there / not seeing things that are there
Re:DOD Just Beginning to Grapple with Scale of Weapon System... by komali2 on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @12:33PM (#18186455)
They seem to work twelve on, twelve off, with requiring that some of their personal time being used to maintain physical fitness, so does seem like a disaster waiting to happen.
Re:DOD Just Beginning to Grapple with Scale of Weapon System... by nradov on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @08:07PM (#18180879)
There is zero evidence of enemy tampering in recent Navy ship collisions / allisions. It was simple incompetence and bad luck. There's really no way to tamper with shipboard surface radars, binoculars, horns, and VHF radios. As long as that equipment is working correctly all collisions can be avoided.
Re:DOD Just Beginning to Grapple with Scale of Weapon System... by ItsMe000001 on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @04:19PM (#18179484)
I did not specify an exact scenario because that was not the point I was trying to make (it was actually meant mostly as a joke, no?). If they already have to fight with so many bugs, disabling it will be just as hard on the one hand, and the operators already have top live with disabling issues in the non-invaded system, as one comment posted here said, they didn't even notice the invasion because it didn't feel different from normal operation :-)
Re:DOD Just Beginning to Grapple with Scale of Weapon System... by NegativeLatency on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @04:35PM (#18179607)
Or just being a passive viewer of what the system is managing