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Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by zoggenhoff on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @09:43AM (#18175874)
Does Intel really think this approach is good for them? As a technical person, all I see is a company in trouble with products they need to lie about. This goes beyond market speak - it's deceptive.
Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by berbec on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:00AM (#18176013)
The people who won't be fooled by this are likely the customers who are interested in the actual 10% difference for the high end and likely want this chip anyway.
Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by dragontamer on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:14AM (#18176125)
I'm not sure about that.

At $499, the i9-9900k is almost competing against the 12-core Threadripper 2920x ($649, 12-core/24-threads, 4.4GHz clock, 60 PCIe lanes, quad-memory channels).

I think most people will find more use out of +4 cores (granted, on a NUMA platform) than higher clocks. Cores for compiling code, rendering, video editing, etc. etc.

Pretty much only gamers want +Clock speeds, and more and more games actually use all-cores these days (Doom, Battlefield, etc. etc.)

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That's the thing. The i9-9900k isn't even a "high end chip" anymore. Its at best, "highest of the mid-range" since the HEDT category (AMD Threadripper, or Intel-X) has been invented.

Once you start getting into 8-cores/16 threads, I start to worry about dual-memory channels and 16x PCIe lanes + 4GB/s DMI to the Southbridge. Its getting harder and harder to "feed the beast". A more balanced HEDT system (like Threadripper's quad-memory channels + 60PCIe lanes) just makes more sense.

Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by Ooveex2C on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:26AM (#18176224)
> Pretty much only gamers want +Clock speeds

I wish. We use a commercial path-tracer that scales very well to many cores, GPUs and entire clusters when it's chewing away at a single fixed scene or animation.

But in interactive mode many scene modifications are bottlenecked on a single or few threads and locks until it gets back into the highly optimized rendering code paths. So a lot of work goes into quickly shutting down as many background threads as possible to benefit from high turbo-boost clocks on Xeon Gold processors so the user doesn't have to wait long and then ramp them back up when it's just rendering the fixed scene.

Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by zoggenhoff on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @11:10AM (#18176548)
Agreed. Games aren't the only thing people do with lots of cores / HEDT. Give me a 128 core machine and I'll happily keep them busy all day with work. No need for a heater either.
Re:Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K B... by gcb0 on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:32AM (#18176266)
you have msrp prices. real life prices is currently around $600 for both!