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Re:Wayback Machine director outlines the scale of everyone's... by Dylan16807 on Monday October 08, 2018 @03:14PM (#18170388)
> Don't forget that they will need geo-redundancy built in to prevent data loss

This is already factoring in 2x storage, so you just put each half in a different location.

> and they likely have some kind of offline archive too.

Okay so 2 million.

> Then there is the running cost to power all those drives.

Yes, that's one of many things that adds on top of the raw drive cost.

> Also, when you have that many drives, you're going to be constantly replacing dead ones.

It's not actually that bad! If you cram ten thousand drives into a few racks, your drive failures per week will be in the single digits. You could have someone come in once a month.

> I have a feeling this is an expensive operation!

It is, but my core point is that it would be expensive even if the drives were free. You need a certain amount of server horsepower and the physical resources to support it. This implies that you're not getting to stick 60 drives in a single chassis, so you need more labor as well.

There was an estimate last year of $1500 for IA to store and serve a terabyte of data indefinitely. I'd love to see a breakdown of that number, how much goes to day 1 hardware, how much goes to year 1 hosting, how long that hardware is expected to last. But even the day 1 cost is definitely a lot more than $50 for 2TB worth of hard drive.

Re:Wayback Machine director outlines the scale of everyone's... by GordonS on Monday October 08, 2018 @04:06PM (#18170853)
> This is already factoring in 2x storage, so you just put each half in a different location.

My bad, I missed that!

> It is, but my core point is that it would be expensive even if the drives were free.

On reflection, and after reading your reply, I agree :)

> There was an estimate last year of $1500 for IA to store and serve a terabyte of data indefinitely.

I assume that's $1500 per year?

Re:Wayback Machine director outlines the scale of everyone's... by Dylan16807 on Monday October 08, 2018 @05:25PM (#18171456)
> I assume that's $1500 per year?

Total, not per year. Even S3 would only cost $250 a year to store a TB redundantly, and you could host 20 of them off a $200-per-month server or something.

Backblaze gets you a bit more than one copy for only $60 a year.

Re:Wayback Machine director outlines the scale of everyone's... by GordonS on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @04:00PM (#18179347)
I'm not quite understanding how storing a quantity of data indefinitely doesn't have an ongoing cost?
Re:Wayback Machine director outlines the scale of everyone's... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @08:28PM (#18180966)
Hardware gets cheaper and you can assume a small return on the money, I think. You could also just take it as a guess for 100 years of storage too.