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Re:Microsoft pulls Windows 10 October 2018 Update due to maj... by johnchristopher on Saturday October 06, 2018 @06:37AM (#18154443)
The issue being that documents get deleted.

2018. Windows update deletes non system files.

2018.

Re:Microsoft pulls Windows 10 October 2018 Update due to maj... by kijin on Saturday October 06, 2018 @07:03AM (#18154516)
This is not a regular Windows update. A Redstone update is effectively a new version of Windows, and the updater replaces your existing Windows installation with the new version during the mandatory reboot. In other words, it's more like do-release-upgrade than apt-get upgrade. Obviously, this is going to be much more risky than the typical security patch.

But Microsoft is doing its damnedest to make it look like just another update to ordinary users. It's the same trick they used to automatically "upgrade" Windows 7/8/8.1 computers to Windows 10, only subtler this time because users already have Windows 10 which helps conceal what's going on.

Re:Microsoft pulls Windows 10 October 2018 Update due to maj... by Silhouette on Saturday October 06, 2018 @08:24AM (#18154785)
The real problem here is what you mention in your second paragraph: Microsoft has deliberately chosen to blur the lines between different types of update. The Windows 10 world makes little distinction between a small, essential security update with no normally observable change in behaviour and a full reinstallation of the underlying OS.

So, I don't think Microsoft should be allowed to rely on the kind of argument you make in your first paragraph. If it's going to push everything out as being just the latest version of Windows 10 that everyone must have, then all updates are now "regular Windows updates", and the entire-OS update needs to be as reliable as the essential security update that just replaces a flawed networking library with a bug-fixed version.

If Microsoft can't do that -- and obviously it's an extremely difficult requirement to meet, with ample evidence suggesting that it won't happen -- then maybe the whole mandatory updates strategy isn't such a great idea?

Re:Microsoft pulls Windows 10 October 2018 Update due to maj... by kijin on Saturday October 06, 2018 @09:14AM (#18154973)
I agree with everything you said. It would be really interesting to see Microsoft adopt the Arch Linux release model, but unfortunately I don't think it will happen. They're stuck in a difficult place, trying to do SaaS with an operating system installed on users' devices.

If you use Windows 10 Professional or above, though, you can defer Redstone updates for a maximum of 1 year while still getting the usual bugfixes. I guess that's how long Microsoft wants to keep supporting the not-updated version.

Re:Microsoft pulls Windows 10 October 2018 Update due to maj... by Silhouette on Saturday October 06, 2018 @10:40AM (#18155351)
If you use Windows 10 Professional or above, though, you can defer Redstone updates for a maximum of 1 year while still getting the usual bugfixes.

That's OK as far as it goes, and maybe for casual power users (if there is such a thing) it's better than nothing.

However, for small business users who would traditionally also be using the Pro edition of Windows, a one-year delay is marginally more valuable than a chocolate teapot. We're talking about the operating system, the foundation on which the rest of our software base is built, and that software base may cost thousands per machine. The guaranteed support period is missing a zero if it wants to be taken seriously.

Re:Microsoft pulls Windows 10 October 2018 Update due to maj... by johnchristopher on Saturday October 06, 2018 @08:26AM (#18154801)
I'd say it's pretty consistent with their stance on windows 10 being the "last windows, no more versioning, no more major version, just continuous update".

With that being said it's a bit annoying to say the least that they don't discern between minor and major updates (considering the time it takes to perform it and then the time it takes users to find their marks around if they change UI stuff).

Re:Microsoft pulls Windows 10 October 2018 Update due to maj... by kkarakk on Saturday October 06, 2018 @06:48AM (#18154474)
apple doesn't let you fix your computers outside of their service ecosystem and Microsoft actively deletes your files coz users are their testers. i'd say this is very 2018. being superficially attractive(MacBook pro w/ pointless touchbar,Surfacebook with grease stain attracting alcantara proprietary port connectors) and then squeezing your user for every ounce of value is very 2018