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Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by ams6110 on Friday October 05, 2018 @09:17PM (#18152941)
Not just the US intelligence community but most of the Western world was convinced.
Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by badosu on Friday October 05, 2018 @09:54PM (#18153061)
Please... I was a 12 year old boy in a poor city from Brazil and knew it was all garbage.

At that time I did not even have internet and most people knew it was bullshit.

The only thing that needed convincing was that the US would do it anyways, so better to have a smooth pathway.

Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by longerthoughts on Friday October 05, 2018 @10:02PM (#18153086)
Quite a skill to know that kind of thing with no direct involvement. Mind telling us the truth about what happened at Apple?
Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by tylersmith on Friday October 05, 2018 @10:08PM (#18153103)
Far too often people mistake correct guesses with having actual knowledge. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard somebody be "100% certain" of something I'd probably have a lot of money by now, although I don't know for sure.
Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by ellius on Friday October 05, 2018 @10:54PM (#18153235)
"Some people are more certain of everything than I am of anything."

—Robert Rubin

Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by tylersmith on Friday October 05, 2018 @11:03PM (#18153266)
I've never heard this before but it describes my feelings very well. Thanks for sharing it.
Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by dwighttk on Friday October 05, 2018 @10:43PM (#18153208)
I'm 100% certain you would.
Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by badosu on Saturday October 06, 2018 @11:58AM (#18155755)
> The tripartite definition holds that knowledge is justified true belief.
Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by chaboud on Friday October 05, 2018 @11:30PM (#18153354)
The aluminum tube claim was pretty obviously bogus. The tubes were narrow in diameter, variably finished (often rough inside), thin walled, and would result in laughably inefficient uranium hexaflouride centrifuges. It just didn’t make any sense to anyone with even a casual understanding of enrichment methods.

They also made perfect sense for missiles/rockets.

The chemical weapon claims were believable. I mean, didn’t we help Iraq manufacture chemical weapons during the Iran/Iraq war? Wasn’t that long-suspected belief later confirmed?

So, yes. I knew at the time, and I said so. I wouldn’t fundamentally have had much of a problem with invading Iraq (one could have that argument), but the justification, timing, and prioritization didn’t really make sense. Watching Powell pitch that goat rodeo was pretty sad.

Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by graeme on Friday October 05, 2018 @10:43PM (#18153205)
You might find this a good read about knowing the iraq wmd story was a lie in advance. From someone who predicted it, they explain their reasoning. It's rather convincing.

http://blog.danieldavies.com/2004_05_23_d-squareddigest_arch...

Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by badosu on Saturday October 06, 2018 @11:43AM (#18155676)
You'd have that skill if you lived in a country that had a bloody 20 year dictatorship backed by the US.

I don't know how much of the US population is aware of their governments actions throughout the 20th century and the impact to it's public image.

"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?"

Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by illuminati1911 on Friday October 05, 2018 @10:06PM (#18153099)
So basically you _knew_ nothing but just made a guess.
Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by CamperBob2 on Friday October 05, 2018 @11:09PM (#18153289)
It was very well known that G. W. Bush was itching for an excuse to finish what his old man started.

See the PNAC documentation, if nothing else. You don't need to be a card-carrying member of the Illuminati to understand the personal and political dynamics that existed between Saddam's administration and Bush 43's, or to foresee what was likely to happen.

Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by compelledToken on Friday October 05, 2018 @10:06PM (#18153097)
You ain't kidding. Talk about trying to rewrite a narrative with bogus claims.

The 2003 Iraq invasion had nothing to do with warnings from informants about state secrets.

The idea very idea that there was any concern about Iraq's capability to wage war is a joke. Iraq was pretty well softened up by no fly zones and sanctions, so as to be sufficiently anemic, and decapitating the incumbent dictator for life (literally) was mostly just sour grapes for him going off script, and besmirching the sanctity of Kuwait.

It was gloves off for Iraq, as soon as the 9/11 hijackings unfolded. Literally next month people were whispering about Iraq, even though Afghanistan was well understood as the official point of origin for the attacks.

Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by AnthonyMouse on Saturday October 06, 2018 @01:13AM (#18153657)
> It was gloves off for Iraq, as soon as the 9/11 hijackings unfolded. Literally next month people were whispering about Iraq, even though Afghanistan was well understood as the official point of origin for the attacks.

Not only that, even though Afghanistan played an actual role, the majority of the hijackers were Saudi. People sort of mention that in passing and then go back to pretending it has no relevance.

Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by gonzo on Saturday October 06, 2018 @01:24AM (#18153684)
> Afghanistan was well understood as the official point of origin for the attacks.

Except for the large (15 of 19, plus OBL), percentage of Saudi nationals who perpetrated the attacks?

Sure.

Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by mainAccount on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @03:11AM (#18173899)
The point being that, capturing or killing the associated individuals still alive, to be held responsible, meant transgressing the territory of Afghanistan.

Nonetheless, I'd agree that waging war on Afghanistan, The Country would be just as silly as waging war on Saudi Arabia. It's like Canada waging war on both the United States and Italy, for something The Mafia perpetrated.

Meanwhile, war with Iraq was akin to Canada invading Norway for it's whale blubber, because the Norweigan king sunk a fleet of Danish whaling ships ten years prior, and was now suspected of hoarding a cache of illegal harpoons. Thus triggering a cascade of geopolitical events, whereby Canada stepped in to defend Denmark, thus angering a member of the Gambino family, who subsequently demolished the CN tower, for tampering with Denmark's sovereignty. As if to say that had Norway not attacked Denmark, the CN tower would not have been destroyed by a hijacked train derailment.

Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by longerthoughts on Friday October 05, 2018 @09:21PM (#18152949)
Based on independent intelligence or a relay of the bad US intelligence?
Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by brianberns on Friday October 05, 2018 @09:30PM (#18152982)
Bad US intelligence. Secretary of State Colin Powell gave a detailed presentation at the United Nations that was seen around the world. It was all based on faulty sources.
Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by sitkack on Saturday October 06, 2018 @09:03AM (#18154920)
> It was all based on faulty sources.

Made up, manufactured "evidence", not faulty sources.

Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by Udo_Schmitz on Friday October 05, 2018 @10:58PM (#18153251)
Re:Apple Insiders Say Nobody Knows What’s Going on with Bloo... by CamperBob2 on Friday October 05, 2018 @11:08PM (#18153286)
Because at the time, the US intelligence community had a lot of credibility.