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Re:The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate Am... by Dowwie on Thursday October 04, 2018 @06:54AM (#18138736)
This story could easily be interpreted as anti-China propaganda. Could you think of any other sovereign power who would want a backdoor into servers used by billions of people across the internet? Hardware comes from China. This doesn't mean that the Chinese government orchestrated the attack. The United States government is having a trade war with China. This article's publication isn't just coincidence.

Further, those with insight about how to use the backdoor definitely made use of them. This is one of the central issues with government-mandated backdoors. They are introduced for one group but used by others.

Re:The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate Am... by majewsky on Thursday October 04, 2018 @07:30AM (#18138917)
> Could you think of any other sovereign power who would want a backdoor into servers used by billions of people across the internet?

I cannot think of any sovereign power that wouldn't.

Re:The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate Am... by Spooky23 on Thursday October 04, 2018 @07:09AM (#18138818)
It could be interpreted that way, but this sort of activity isnt novel or unknown.

The Feds run key hardware through third parties to detect counterfeit hardware. The “new” thing is the targeting of devices headed for commercial customers.

Re:The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate Am... by TazeTSchnitzel on Thursday October 04, 2018 @07:51AM (#18139021)
> Could you think of any other sovereign power who would want a backdoor into servers used by billions of people across the internet?

The US's NSA would want and probably does have such a thing.

Re:The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate Am... by nithinm on Thursday October 04, 2018 @08:02AM (#18139080)
your comment looks like an pro-china propaganda. In china the state has heavy control on all the companies. The hardware is manufactured in china. I don't think something like this is happen without the state's knowledge.
Re:The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate Am... by ethbro on Thursday October 04, 2018 @08:51AM (#18139395)
It seems like many people take communist-like propaganda at face value.

The Chinese government would like to have almost-complete control. The Chinese government publicly says it has high levels of control.

But when they can't effectively regulate their medical (mass HIV infection from blood plasma needle reuse), food (tainted milk), or chemical (unlicensed mass CFC production) industries... reality seems to differ.

Re:The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate Am... by teknologist on Thursday October 04, 2018 @07:18PM (#18144499)
So, suppose you're Supermicro. When some CPC official comes around to tell you to make your technology a little easier for the intelligence department to access, you're going to do it.

Companies in China (especially those in the tech sector) have to keep close ties to the government, and most of their leaders are members are of the party. You don't GET to be a multi-billion dollar tech company* in China without toeing the party line [1] [2] [3]

The issues around regulating food safety and vaccines that you mentioned are irrelevant.

* Foreign companies must operate Chinese subsidiaries to run their operations in China.

[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/beijing-pushes-for-a-direct-han...

[2] https://qz.com/1102948/chinas-communist-party-is-all-in-on-t...

[3] http://chinamediaproject.org/2018/05/02/tech-firms-tilt-towa...

Re:The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate Am... by ethbro on Friday October 05, 2018 @10:37AM (#18148432)
I see your *, so I assume you do know SuperMicro is a US company? And that the breaches reportedly happened at local Chinese subcontractors?

Everything you say seems to be valid for Chinese companies. Which SuperMicro... isn't.

If they want to start auditing their incoming supply from China more closely, or even shift production elsewhere, there's nothing except cost stopping them from doing so.

And the rub is that any competitor also using Chinese supply (for cost savings) is vulnerable to the same attack. SuperMicro was presumably targeted because of their size and global customers.

Re:The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate Am... by teknologist on Friday October 05, 2018 @12:23PM (#18149396)
Apple is not Apple Inc. in China, it is Apple Computer Trading (Shanghai) Co., Ltd. SuperMicro will have its own subsidiary/subcontractors to handle their operations in China.

As having worked for a subsidiary of a large multinational company in China, I can tell you that a lot goes on that you might find surprising. Middle management and those involved with establishing the deals with subcontractors would often have arrangements to make money through various means, such as through IP transfer or property theft. The subcontractors themselves are Chinese companies.

At our place a lot of shady things were going on and were, thankfully, found after a number of years. The global HQ had to step in and fire around 1/3 of employees working at the China branch.

Now, there is no reason to suggest that this was related to any government policy or request. But it should be clear by now that the CPC are not exactly opposed to shady things happening to foreign companies. My point is that this is an an environment where something like this can happen quite easily, especially when a lot of technology companies have close ties to the state.

Re:The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate Am... by teknologist on Thursday October 04, 2018 @07:29AM (#18138908)
Anti-China propaganda? These chips were designed by the Chinese military and inserted by PLA agents. Do you have to start calling things propaganda to make it seem like this is baseless criticism of China to those who have not read the article?
Re:The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate Am... by ethbro on Thursday October 04, 2018 @08:45AM (#18139359)
These chips were REPORTED TO BE designed by the Chinese military and inserted by PLA agents.

Big difference, which is parent's point.

Re:The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate Am... by i_am_nomad on Thursday October 04, 2018 @08:49AM (#18139383)
The United States is having a trade war with China partially because of this kind of thing.
Re:The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate Am... by Krasnol on Thursday October 04, 2018 @07:49AM (#18139006)
This comment could easily be interpreted as pro-China propaganda.