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Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by wongarsu on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @03:39PM (#18134032)
The average European car is very different from the average US car. The most sold cars in the US are the Ford F series, in the EU it's the VW Golf and similar hatchbacks.

There are a lot of forces at play here, among others tax rates (which cause the F150 to get bigger and European cars to get lighter), fuel prices, culture (in Europe a big truck won't impress anyone, you get other types of cars for that), average and maximum distance traveled (in Europe nobody fantasizes about roadtrips), road conditions (high population density makes offroad driving less important in rural Europe than in rural America), etc

Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by prawn on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @08:34PM (#18136067)
You didn't mention parking. In many European cities I've visited, you'd barely be able to park a larger American car almost anywhere. Last trip over there, I rented an MPV which effectively fit a family with seats for two children, plus luggage, in what was barely bigger than an Australian hatchback. And even that was nerve-wracking to drive in some underground carparks, or park in old-town streets.
Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by reaperducer on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @05:36PM (#18135036)
in Europe nobody fantasizes about roadtrips

That's an interesting tidbit. I always thought that they did. I thought the automotive term "GT" meant "Grand Tour" and was European in inspiration.

That's what I get for culling most of my European auto culture information from Top Gear.

Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by amongwhales on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @06:36PM (#18135401)
>in Europe nobody fantasizes about roadtrips

Even besides the German brands (VW, Mercedes, BMW), there are a huge number of European car manufacturers (Skoda, Peugeot, citroen) > showing ability and demand for cars in Europe. Also, the small size and mostly flat nature of Europe, cultural diversity, and longer vacation time all contribute to Europeans traveling more than Americans. Not to mention excellent roads, family/student hostels for less expensive trips (pre-Airbnb era) and obviously Visa free travel. So yes Europeans might not have the same idea of long distance road trips we have in the US but that is not to say they don't take the same trips or more than in the US

Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by Brakenshire on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @10:50PM (#18136752)
In the US it’s a pretty normal thing to drive coast to coast, that’s equivalent distance to driving London to Moscow, and that is a very rare thing to do. Actually the equivalent in Europe is young people doing interrail trips (a month long unlimited rail ticket). People I think mostly drive to do a specific trip, like maybe going skiing or even just going across the border to shop. But there isn’t the same prevalence of the road trip, it is strange thing in a way, but it is true. There is a particular romance that people are attracted to in different places. Funnily enough, if a European young person is going to take a road trip they’re probably just as likely to fly to the US and do it there.
Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by dagw on Thursday October 04, 2018 @04:08AM (#18138026)
Europe nobody fantasizes about roadtrips

So how do you explain the countless German and Dutch cars driving around forests of Norway and Sweden every summer?

Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by qkls on Thursday October 04, 2018 @02:24AM (#18137629)
Because Finland is sparsely populated (and long) for an EU country, road trips are a thing here, especially for a winter holiday to Lapland. We even have a company advertise car ferries to Germany, so some must fantasize about a road trip!

Even then, there are no American size cars. Most sold cars are European or Japanese station wagons.

Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @05:36PM (#18135031)
That's kind of a bad comparison because the Ford F-Series (or any other pickup platform) is many different vehicles under one name.
Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by merb on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @06:24PM (#18135330)
basically in europe there are not a lot of pickups to none out there. in europe there is a trend for SUVs at the moment, but besides that we mostly buy limousines.
Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by p1mrx on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @10:54PM (#18136769)
This is a "limousine" in the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limousine#/media/File:98-02_Li...

So I assume you were using the "sedan" interpretation.

Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by KozmoNau7 on Thursday October 04, 2018 @03:34AM (#18137911)
There are plenty of pickups in Europe. It's just that they're based on vans, with a tray on the back instead of a box. And very few people are silly enough to buy one as their personal vehicle.

If we need to move mulch or the like, we rent/buy trailers.

Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by teekert on Thursday October 04, 2018 @01:45AM (#18137480)
Indeed but it's funny that most SUVs are (what I'd call) fake SUVs. They look beefy and big but they have a 1.6 liter engine and can still only pull 1200-1400 kg (like the Hyundai ix35). And then there are the real ones that may at first glance look the same but easily pull up to or over 2400 kg (Volvo xc90 versions).
Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by dsfyu404ed on Thursday October 04, 2018 @10:34AM (#18140216)
>and big but they have a 1.6 liter engine and can still only pull 1200-1400 kg

This is a reflection of the vehicle platforms they're built on. You take a Civic or a Dart slap on AWD, a lift kit and extra 500-1000lb of body/interior and call it a CRV or a Cherokee and there's not much spare capacity left to haul cargo or tow trailers.

Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by teekert on Saturday October 06, 2018 @07:21AM (#18154569)
Mostly they don't even slap on AWD :)