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Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by atombender on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @02:53PM (#18133537)
I'm sure that they were using US gallons. Whether this is data is accurate is another matter.

According to the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT), Europe averaged 46 MPG (US gallons, "normalized to CAFE test cycles") in 2015 [1], compared to something like 37 MPG in the US.

This NY Times article [2] summarizes the report, with some nice graphs.

[1] https://www.theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/201...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/04/03/climate/us-fu...

Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by thinkling on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @03:16PM (#18133794)
I share your parent's skepticism. It seems obvious that cars sold in the US are not averaging 37 MPG when the average car is roughly a RAV4 that gets 22/29.(EDIT: It occurs to me that the RAV4 may be classified as a light truck -- even so, I can go pick a passenger car...)

As far as I can tell taking a quick look at your links, the difference can be in two things. First, these are fuel economy standards companies are expected to hit, and not reporting on whether they hit them or missed and paid penalties. Second there's the phrase "Assumes manufacturers fully use low-GWP A/C refrigerants credits". Apparently fuel economy numbers are boosted by these credits--actual fuel economy isn't the same thing, it appears?

(EDIT: Overall fuel economy for cars and trucks combined was 24.8 mpg in MY2015 [1])

[1] https://phys.org/news/2016-11-average-fuel-economy-high-mpg....

Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by thinkling on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @06:03PM (#18135219)
Additional notes:

The top 4 best-selling passenger cars are the Honda Accord and Civic, and the Toyota Camry and Corolla [1].

Their "combined city/highway" fuel efficiences are respectively 30, 34, 27, and 32 mpg for the base engine [2][3][4][5].

How can this possibly work out to 37 mpg overall? There aren't enough hybrid sales to bring that number up.

[1] http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2018/08/july-2018-ytd-u-s-passe... [2] https://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/2017/features-specs/ [3] https://www.edmunds.com/honda/civic/2017/features-specs/ [4] https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/camry/2017/features-specs/ [5] https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/corolla/2017/features-specs/

Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by tom_ on Thursday October 04, 2018 @12:41PM (#18141476)
Thanks for finding some stats. Based on the cars I see driving in the UK, I'm sure plenty of people buy cars that claim to do 55mpg, and many of those cars will actually do 55mpg. But as an average? - I'm just a bit unconvinced.

(Perhaps the mpgs were added up and divided by N? That doesn't always provide the answer you're looking for.)

Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by llukas on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @03:55PM (#18134206)
If you compare US cars to EU cars on average then: - EU cars are much smaller - hp of engines is much lower

> "skepticism" "It seems obvious"

Pick one please.

Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by thinkling on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @05:13PM (#18134863)
I wasn't saying anything about EU cars -- why are you bringing that up?

I am skeptical of the 37mpg claim because it seems clear to me that the average car sold in the US isn't that efficient. What's the contradiction?

Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by llukas on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @07:20PM (#18135625)
Sorry, I missed that part.

I think 37mpg depends on what you actually count as a car and what goes for a light truck.

Re:Denmark to ban petrol and diesel car sales by 2030 by thinkling on Thursday October 04, 2018 @05:34PM (#18143873)
See my comment in a parallel branch for data: even the US best-selling passenger cars don’t average 37 mpg.